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These forums are a good thing for members to voice their opinions etc and I've read most of the recent ones regarding bailiffing / night fishing. Instead of arguing amongst yourselves and debating who's right and who's wrong, why don't you put yourselves out for one evening a year come to the AGM on Thursday 9th November and put your points over to the people who will give you a correct answer, or is that too much to ask ?
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Posted on September 22, 2017 at 10:46 AM
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Re: RE Bailiffing
It seems you have started a new thread instead of replying to the original one.
Anyway, I don't see much argument going on but I do see some useful information that can passed onto those that could use it.
Isnt this forum just another form of communication, not all BAA members live within a reasonable distance from HQ to attend AGM meetings so yes attendance may be "too much to ask" for some of us.
Posted on September 22, 2017 at 11:19 AM
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I think the majority of members do appreciate the work us bailiffs do but it is frustrating when people moan about lack of bailiffing and especially lack of night patrols when myself and a few other bailiffs gave up two nights of the last bank holiday weekend to act on information we had about problems with illegal night fishing on the Severn.Sometimes you can speak to one member and he says how good it is that he is checked on a regular basis and then the bloke in the next peg moans he hasn't been checked for 20 years!It's difficult to keep everyone happy in a club of this size and remember it's all voluntary,despite recent rumours we don't get paid for this and if there are two or three bailiffs together of a an evening/night then that is what we are advised to do when out at theses times.
Posted on September 22, 2017 at 12:25 PM
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Unless you are a member that comes down for a week on holiday,then if you are prepared to travel the distance to fish for a day then why not for a couple of hours to attend the AGM?It's an opportunity to air your views with other members and the people that run it face to face instead of through a forum or Facebook page.I understand if it was a 200 mile round trip but if it's a journey you make regular to fish then what's the harm in a few hours one night a year?
Posted on September 22, 2017 at 12:29 PM
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point taken yes barbel anglers should attend the agm .
but as another point a conscienous angler who picks up his own an others litter , makes no noise , or problems . an wishes merely to fish an hour into dark with the hope off catching a specimen barbel , could hardly be classed as night fishing !!
night fishing is fishing all night with bed chair an tent .
surely the baa / baliffs could be a little relaxed about this .?
so can someone answer if a baliff turns up with a dog , whether the severn way runs along river bank or not his he breaking the rules ??????????????
if not this should be high lighted to all members , the fact that if the severn way public right of way runs along baa waters , members can take dogs an also wifes or girlfriends can sit there free of charge ????? whats good for one should be good for another .
would like to hear some opion on this rob gil the baliff often has his dog in attendance .
Posted on September 22, 2017 at 4:49 PM
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I don't know Rob the Bailiff, or any of the BAA Bailiffs for that matter. However, if members started having go and moaning because I was giving my dog some exercise while carrying out my VOLUNTARY duties, I would tell them to all get stuffed and do the job themselves. Recent posts have been very negative towards Bailiffs who I believe, do a very good job, under sometimes difficult circumstances. Suppose it is always the same with clubs - Committee members / Bailiffs / Volunteers get stick from the membership, but at least they contribute something or than the price of a year ticket. Perhaps those who complain about Bailiffs should have a go and see if they can do better.
Posted on September 22, 2017 at 5:54 PM
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Ian the thing is if it's a public right of way then he isn't breaking any rules to be fair.If he was walking around coppice with his dog for example then that would be different.When we do the night patrols we aren't out to penalise the genuine members pinching a few minutes but the people there blatantly breaking the rules with the intent on fishing all night.
Posted on September 22, 2017 at 9:06 PM
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And thanks Mick,it's nice to get a bit of positive feedback for a change!
Posted on September 22, 2017 at 10:11 PM
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Yes Thanks again Mick I think we do a great job that is just trying to look after the waters that all member fish on, the thing is we cant make ever one happy as we have rules we have to sick to and that's it.
Posted on September 22, 2017 at 10:24 PM
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I am certainly not lost on the good work the bailiffs do, any adverse comments should be taken with a positive view in improving. Being a volunteer make no difference in how you conduct yourself, All I am saying is that of late some of the normal standards have dropped, and also some other members have also voiced the same.
Posted on September 22, 2017 at 11:15 PM
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mick also this baliff told me in general talk he has the right to confiscate tackle of which he certainly does not and is a lie , baliffs should be CRB checked .
and if there is an exception to the rules regarding dogs were there is a public right of way along the river , this should also be extended to non fishing partners as well , an should be clearly defined in the rules .
as I have already said most baliffs are genuine an fine.
but there are odd few that are not , if you fish around ripple you may see things in a different light mick .
Posted on September 23, 2017 at 8:57 AM
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I think BAA have made a rod for their own back by having to 'police' in particular Ripple and Fladbury where night fishing permits can be had. Is this extra effort because BAA want to protect the extra income stream, or a genuine concern regarding night fishing, ie Insurance issues?
As I suggested it would be common sense to offer night fishing to members on renewal, a one off surcharge on the price of a normal ticket, the 'pass' could be displayed on car windscreens, this would save trouble for both angler and bailiff.
All this creeping around in the dark is frankly ridiculous.
Again I think the bailiff's do a brilliant job, they for me can offer great advice on what's happening...I remember for instance the Wye bailiff putting me on a double figure Barbel peg, which duly obliged, these guys really have their work cut out with parking issues, permits, locked gates and Mr Jones the farmer Ha!
And also the rest too all, times I have been bailiffed, by Neil at Nafford, and even Stew , have been just fine, and a bit of a natter too...just that well, a few times of late have been a bit feisty
Posted on September 23, 2017 at 9:51 AM
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I didn't realise we'd met,introduce yourself next time.
Posted on September 23, 2017 at 2:43 PM
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Evening all,
As a new member this year and by no means a local one (I live in East Kent) attending the AGM is something that would not be possible for myself. I have joined this year with a view to having a "holiday" fishing the middle Severn for a week in October. During that week I may want to fish further in to darkness than the 1 hour after sunset rule. Because I can not predict weather conditions or which evenings that I may want to fish later I would have to purchase 7 night fishing tickets this cost being nearly double the membership fee just because I May want to fish a couple of extra hours in to darkness and will be staying at a hotel so cant exactly have the permits sent there. Now I understand (to an extent) ruling is in place, but the way permit purchases have to be made actively discourage people from purchasing them. I understand all I am doing is raking over old ground but there must be a better way to do things.
At the AGM I assume the treasurer gives a finance breakdown of monies in and out?
perhaps the treasurer would be kind enough to furnish the members with the income made from night fishing permits. That cost could then be broken down to cost per member and the membership fees increased to cover that cost? now I know there will be plenty of people saying " I dont want to fish nights so why should I pay more" that's fine then perhaps an enhanced rate could be made for members who do want to fish late evening/nights.
There have been suggestions of web based portals etc etc these come at a cost to the club so are not attractive but a one off payment once a year (with your renewal) would be minimum admin and minimal outlay.
Just a thought.
*edit* Sorry Onelastcast just realised Ive just said exactly the same thing as you suggested. It does make sense though.
Posted on September 23, 2017 at 11:06 PM
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Dave...some good points, and yes the two tier system to include night fishing would certainly make life easier for all I suspect. But BAA are not renowned in implementing new ideas, but I guess that is one of the reasons they have been around for so long?
Posted on September 24, 2017 at 6:16 PM
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Re the 'Witching hour' there is the alternative of going on a drizzly overcast day, ok it's a bit colder but the witching hour lasts a hell of a lot longer 
That way the bailiffs get no stick as you'd be packed up already and there's no waiting for something to 'happen' come darkness
Posted on September 24, 2017 at 6:39 PM
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Dave m, perhaps the whole point of the current system is that it does discourage night fishing.
I don't know anyone on the BAA executive so take this comment with a pinch of salt.
Historically a lot of local clubs/ Associations have been match fishing orientated. A lot of executive members have come from the match fishing fraternity. Because of this the rules have been focused in the interests of match anglers.
Match anglers don't have much interest in night fishing so they have no interest in allowing it. Most of their social circle are match fishermen who also aren't interested in night fishing It's self reinforcing.
Maybe the way to exert influence on BAA is for those wanting night fishing to organise themselves (not difficult with social media) and all arrange to turn up at the AGM and put their point over in numbers.
It could be that BAA don't fall into this category and there are valid reasons not to have night fishing ( I suspect this is the case) but if you don't make your voices heard you will never know.
(Don't expect me to join in, I've no interest in night fishing.)
Posted on September 24, 2017 at 10:06 PM
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The baa can only permit night fishing on venues where we own the land so it's not always a case of not allowing it because of the background or type of fishing people are into.I think there is a mixture of match and other anglers on the committee so I don't think it is as match oriented as it maybe used to be.But like you said above,the best way is to discuss this with other like minded members and the people that run the club is to come to the AGM.Also we are always looking for new committee members too.
Posted on September 25, 2017 at 9:55 AM
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Wall said Stew
Posted on September 25, 2017 at 1:20 PM
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With reference to the comment that BAA can only allow night fishing on land they own. I have been a member of Burton Mutual for many years and night fishing is allowed on all their river stretches with one exception and they certainly don't own the land. They do own fishing rights on some stretches but rent others.
Posted on September 25, 2017 at 7:15 PM
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