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NIght Fishing Permits

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Does anyone else have an issue with the rather dated and long-winded process involved in obtaining a night permit.
Surely in this modern technological age there must be better way than having to give several days notice in advance of a possible evening session just to allow time for the use of "snail mail" to issue the permit to the applicant. I'm pretty sure most of you will agree that to take advantage of changing weather/river conditions it is not always possible to plan a set day for such an outing with such an outmoded, cumbersome method.

Apparently the "Executive" committee are concerned about the potential for some unscrupulous angler to receive a permit by the more expedient means of, say, an email attachment and to then alter it on his pc/tablet/device to provide him with a template for future forged permits (as was suggested to me by a BAA official earlier today-which puts us members in a very poor light!). Perhaps there ought to be an honestly genuine interest in dragging the club's methodology into the 21st century, and a consideration of the substantial number of members, such as myself, who think that a satisfactory day's fishing ( particularly for post-dusk feeding barbel) doesn't necessarily end when the sun goes down (or the "all out" whistle sounds!!).

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Posted on December 16, 2015 at 11:11 PM

Johnny_Care

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Re: NIght Fishing Permits

it's been mentioned many times now on here Roger, both on here and social media, but the committee don't seem to be interested, it's a real showstopper right at the moment, where an hour after sunset is pre-5pm, and just as the fish starts to feed. Even relaxing the hour rule would be nice, especially at this time of year, 3 hours would be good, at least that would put you in the feeding time zone.

The usual reason for the no-night fishing rule is the litter problem, which is a nonsense to me, as I still see plenty of litter left anyway.
You're average barbel angler who fishes after dark is the die-hard type, and the only thing they're likely to leave behind are footprints!

It's interesting to see how much less litter there is around over these last few weeks on the WarksAvon, a sign that the beer swilling summer brigade are long gone.

Posted on December 17, 2015 at 8:26 AM

flintthe

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Re: NIght Fishing Permits

Hi Guys, Yeah the current system is a joke, Whats wrong with an email to smart phone that has a unique code on it that can be checked by the bailiff (who is cc'd into the email) (god this is getting almost efficient) so he knows just by looking on his phone how many people & who should be on a stretch at any said evening. Taking it one step further, why not have an online booking system, so if you fancy staying longer, you can. Obviously this may take some setting up, as the system would need to take into account how many people are currently allocated to a stretch. Then email the Member & Bailiff the ticket confirmation. Just a thought......

Posted on December 17, 2015 at 2:30 PM

Johnny_Care

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Re: NIght Fishing Permits

Flint, the Wye and Usk Foundation (not that I'm a fan of them), have an online booking system that appears to be very good, you just book your place on the venue you want, and pay online. Very simple, you can an email (which you can get on your phone) and that's it.

No reason why the BAA couldn't do the same

Posted on December 17, 2015 at 3:34 PM

flintthe

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Re: NIght Fishing Permits

Hi Johnny,

To true, looked into doing a bit over there and it all looks quite simple to book your peg, shame about the no night fishing bit though, would love to spend a overnight session on the Wye.

The other downside to buying them up front is you are stuck at the chosen venue, me and my buddy come down for 5 days at a time, therefore have to book the relevant night permits before we set off, if on arrival a venue is unfishable or not producing for what ever reason, if we have booked for 2 nights, then we fish for 2 nights. But if the online option was active, then it would be easy to purchase a few more permits and move, I'd rather spend an extra £10 to fish a stretch that's producing than sit there wishing we were somewhere else.

Posted on December 17, 2015 at 4:13 PM

admin

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Re: NIght Fishing Permits

Interesting to see other comments on this "controversial" topic. Sadly, following the rather negative, intransigent conversation I had with the BAA representative earlier this week, the only conclusion I could arrive at is that this organisation has NO genuine interest at all in encouraging any post-dusk activity by its growing number of specimen hunters, who only wish to continue their pursuit of their quarry at a time when the most productive period is well-known to be after the sun has set. It is a pity that they haven't attempted to progress from the quite dickensian view of angling that stems from the club's early origins.

I should state at this point (at 69 years of age) that I do not wish to do 'overnighters': I love my bed too much; nor do I personally subscribe to 'bivvy'-style angling with comfy camp-beds and blue-tooth alarms on ANY rivers (fishing for barbel, for me, means actually sitting by your rods watching for the next 'three-foot twitch'-occasionally under the shelter of a brolly). At the latest, I like to be home by midnight, so that the next morning I'm up and refreshed and already planning my next sortie!

You only have to look at the number of fisheries that are controlled as a whole in comparison to the meagre number of venues where "night"-fishing is grudgingly allowed. Also, just compare the very reasonable price of an annual membership to the cost of just one night permit. Apparently, if we all attend the Birmingham AGM, the Executive Committee would deign to consider any proposals, but I, for one, wouldn't hold my breath for any radical thinking i.e "more rubbish appears where night-fishing occurs", "anglers who night-fish don't bother about policing the stretches that they fish for offenders who cause problems" etc etc.

By the way, I'm not sure of its authenticity but I believe there could be one bailiff who does actually night fish regularly on a stretch of The Warks Avon...I wonder if he is required to apply for a permit every time?

Posted on December 18, 2015 at 9:42 AM

Johnny_Care

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Re: NIght Fishing Permits

That's a great post Rog, right on the the money too.

It is very much 'heads in the sand' regarding the night fishing issue as far as the committee are concerned. Back in the halcyon days for the club, 60s-80's, clubs a plenty occupied stretches every weekend, the problem is, as you say, the committee haven't moved on since then. If you look at the list of affilliated clubs now, i think you could fit the names on one sheet of A4.

The BAA needs to cater for it's main custom now, which are barbel anglers.....but like you, I'm not holding my breath.

Posted on December 18, 2015 at 10:05 AM

markcoles

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Re: NIght Fishing Permits

Well i for one find the £10 cost for a night ticket just too much and as for me it would probably be a last minute decision to stay on for a couple of hours the clubs prehistoric booking method is unsuitable. I would suggest adding a night option onto the annual membership for an extra fee.

Posted on December 21, 2015 at 9:09 AM

bobrich5295

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Re: NIght Fishing Permits

what i would like to to see as i have around a 2 hour drive to the nearest venues for me is something like RDAA do which is for a number of waters they have a 9 pm or 1 hour after sunset, whichever is latest. That allows for fishing in to the dark during the late autumn, winter and spring. When in theory Barbel are at their biggest, wont make any difference in the summer but then personally that isnt a problem for me.

Posted on December 21, 2015 at 5:52 PM

Lee

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Re: NIght Fishing Permits

All it needs is a change to the hour rule. If in British Summer Time, you say had to be off the bank by 11.30 and when the clocks change around 8pm it would satisfy most people's appetites. No one would be there all night, you wouldn't have to pay £10 to stay an extra couple of hours to take advantage of a feeding spell and you wouldn't need to embark on a ridiculous process of getting a ticket and the BAA would still have a rule about people not being there all night. Problem is this site is a graveyard. You post ideas but no one at the BAA bothers to engage in a discussion. They just take the membership money and plough on regardless. It is sad as a bit of pro-activeness could go a long way.

Posted on January 6, 2016 at 10:56 PM

markcoles

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Re: NIght Fishing Permits

Well said Lee this club needs to move on.

Posted on January 7, 2016 at 6:13 PM

Thebiglad

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Re: NIght Fishing Permits

I spoke to someone at the Evesham fishing show last year, about being able to buy online, and you get a code sent to your email. As i agree having to buy them days in advance is a pain, for many reasons!
you have to plan a week in advance and not a on the spot decision.
When the day comes round you may have had a change in plans or emergency, and thats money down the drain.
If you are having a good day and wish to carry on you could with a smartphone

Posted on February 7, 2016 at 5:40 PM

Thebiglad

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Re: NIght Fishing Permits

I spoke to someone at the Evesham fishing show last year, about being able to buy online, and you get a code sent to your email. As i agree having to buy them days in advance is a pain, for many reasons!
you have to plan a week in advance and not a on the spot decision.
When the day comes round you may have had a change in plans or emergency, and thats money down the drain.
If you are having a good day and wish to carry on you could with a smartphone

Posted on February 7, 2016 at 5:41 PM

Sammycarp

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Re: NIght Fishing Permits

I'd support any motion to upgrade the current system. It would need some time and investment, but the increased flexibility for members must bring increased revenue for the club, offsetting some of this investment.

The simplest and lowest cost system would require an email from BAA HQ during office hours once the request and payment has been processed (CC'd to the bailiffs), but by necessity could only work during the limited opening times.

A fully automated secure system would cost more, but wouldn't require any on-going intervention by BAA office staff. A shared calendar for the office and bailiffs would show how many anglers were booked on each fishery, or it could be shown on a secure website that bailiffs log in to, or simply by automated email to each bailiff.

Posted on July 5, 2016 at 3:36 PM

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