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I am concerned with the increasing number of carp I am catching with damage to their mouths at Coppice. Some of the fish have horrific disfigurments. ( see attached photo's of 2 fish caught this week)
I always use barbles hooks varying in size from a size 10 to size 4 on varying types of rigs from traditional hair rigs to choddy rigs and zig rigs.
I can honestly say I have never ever had a problem unhooking a fish.........so why are the fish getting damaged ?
I have my own theory as to why but I would like to hear if anyone else has any ideas !!!!
Regards
GUR
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Posted on July 22, 2015 at 9:36 PM
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Re: Coppice Carp with damaged mouths
Hook size, Barbed hooks, Head's being pulled off. If you have ever fished Staunton Court Lake in Gloucester you will do well to see a fish that is not torn to bits. I think it can be from over fishing & the same fish getting caught multiple times per week.
Posted on July 22, 2015 at 10:40 PM
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Re: Coppice Carp with damaged mouths
In the heavily fished commercials....there are lots and lots of fish like this. Reasons being exactly what pitch has said.
Posted on July 23, 2015 at 8:04 AM
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Re: Coppice Carp with damaged mouths
No need for it at all, correct handling techniques would prevent all this, barbless hooks would help in spite of what some say, but I am afraid its a couldn't care a less brigade, the same scumbags who leave litter for others to pick up.
Instead of just shelling out for a license to fish, which I suppose some think it entitles them to do this, there should be some training in the handling of fish, and only then a license issued if they are competent. Any digression issue a warning, with the threat of revoking the licence and or banning from the club.
One reason I don't fish such places.
Posted on July 23, 2015 at 12:01 PM
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Re: Coppice Carp with damaged mouths
Barbaric it's only people who call themselves anglers who have damaged that fish no care has been taken when unhooking
Posted on July 24, 2015 at 6:23 AM
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Re: Coppice Carp with damaged mouths
Disagree that it is barbed hooks causing the damage, IMO barbless cause much more damage but either way it is the people that have not idea how to play fish thats the problem, 3lb tc rods, 20lb line and just crank the fish in. Many of todays anglers, on the carp fisheries have never fished for anything else and as such have no idea what they are doing.
Posted on July 24, 2015 at 2:32 PM
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Re: Coppice Carp with damaged mouths
I know where you are coming from Bob, the tearing of barbless hooks etc, but I firmly believe that some so called anglers don't care how they remove a barbed hook, a lot of the damage you see regarding a carps lips is down to that.
Posted on July 26, 2015 at 6:13 PM
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Re damaged mouths comments
I cannot see how a barbless hook can cause more damage than a barbed hook, if a barbless is not set firmly and slips out, it will surely just slip out. If a barbed hook comes out it is logic that the barb may catch and tear the fish in some way.
Lead / weights, is it really neccesary to have 4oz [ quarter of a pound ] of lead on a rig to hook the fish. What happened to fishing ? having a fish yank a 1/4 pound chunk of lead to hook itself while sitting in your bivvy nowhere near your rod 'aint fishing, this can't be good for the fish. One more gripe, watching various videos, there seems to be a trend towards holding the rod very low and applying lots of side strain when playing a fish, this can only pull the line into the corner of the mouth, where most damage appears to be, a bad practice in my view. In the main I agree with bobrich, 20lb line etc. Surely at Coppice 10 to12lb line and a size 10 or 8 maximum hook is more than enough.
Posted on July 26, 2015 at 9:04 PM
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Re: Coppice Carp with damaged mouths
I think the problem with Barbless is when you get these people cranking and the side strain as GB123 says, the barbless hook can moves around causing more damage, likewise if a babrbed is torn out, either in playing or because someone doesnt know how to unhook a fish it can cause a lot of damage. Bad angling is the main culprit but i would like to see some sort of scientific research into barbed v barbless as most people make the choice based on either their own feeling/perception or someone elses. I have seen badly damaged mouths at barbless only venues and barbed only venues in my experience barbless venues seemed worst. Cemex used to have what i thought was a good idea, barbless hooks had to be size 16 or smaller, barbed for the larger.
Posted on July 27, 2015 at 8:27 AM
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Re: Coppice Carp with damaged mouths
On a carp fishery near me they don't allow barbless hooks they reckon it damages the fish more. I always use
barbless hooks when Barbel fishing.
Posted on July 27, 2015 at 11:09 AM
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Re: Coppice Carp with damaged mouths
The damage to the Coppice lake carp mouths happened the year after the BAA bought the lake. All carp in the first year were immaculate.
Personally I don't think it has any thing to do with hook sizes, barbed or barbless hooks but the size of line breaking strain used by anglers ( witnessed myself people dragging them in across the surface several times and also the thickness of discarded line left lying about on the bank )
Perhaps certain people need to have a fish care course of some kind? For me the great thing about fishing is using a suitable breaking strain of line and playing fish for as long as it takes to bank ie if they wanna run let em!
Posted on July 28, 2015 at 6:04 PM
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Re: Coppice Carp with damaged mouths
mouth damage is caused by constant hooking,any overstocked fishery where the fish have to eat bait to survive will show signs of mouth damage,the fish simply havnt got time to regenerate before they have to pick up another baited hook, you dont see this sort of damage on lakes with natural food in abundance as the fish have time to recover and repair the damage caused. as for playing carp until their physicaly exhausted, maybe you need fishcare lessons stecal, ive never seen carp being dragged in across the surface anywhere,not sure its even possible.
Posted on July 30, 2015 at 6:30 AM
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Re: Coppice Carp with damaged mouths
I dont think it is being suggested that fish are played to exhaustion, they are played for as long or short a time until they can be safely netted. I play fish quite hard but if they want to run they are allowed to do so but with as much resistance as i deem suitable and my thumb on the pin allows.
I have seen people with heavy rods and heavy line on small commercials hauling fish in, just cranking them in not quite along the surface but not far off. You rarely see it on "natural" waters as the people who fish these have normally learnt how to play fish and use suitable equipment. I dont quite understand why people use such heavy rods and lines, i fished the lower Severn recently was told i needed min 15lb line 4 or 5 oz leads and 3lb tc rod. I fished it successfully on a 1.75, 2 oz lead and 12lb mainline.
Posted on July 30, 2015 at 9:14 AM
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Re: Coppice Carp with damaged mouths
Youngun. Physically exahuasted? NEVER! And as for re-generation for their mouths to reform after one year of the BAA buying the lake...... come on! The first couple of years there wasn't the abundance of anglers there are now fishing the lake. Maybe "dragging them across the surface" is a slight exaggeration but seeing ppl have hardly any drag on their reels is not, same goes for the 25Lb plus sea line left about the swims!!!!
Posted on July 30, 2015 at 1:44 PM
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Re: Coppice Carp with damaged mouths
My diameter line for lakes 0.28 and for rivers 0.25 before you ask.....maybe LOL
Posted on July 30, 2015 at 6:33 PM
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Re: Coppice Carp with damaged mouths
Hmm barbed vs barbless. Barbed hold without potential to slip, barbless are supposed to not leave any damage after removal. It's 6 of one half a dozen of the other I use barbless & always have my hooks are balanced with my bait normally no bigger than a 10, if leads are used correctly the should drop off upon the fish shaking it's head. At most a 2.5oz lead is more than capable of reaching the island. The comment about playing the fish low is laughable all match fishermen play fish low weather rod & reel or pole, playing the fish low puts less pressure on it & it's more likely to swim towards you. The poof is no where near over stocked compared to pre fish kill, it's down to each member to act responsible & we all know that will never happen. I've fished coppice on many occasions & the state of some members tackle for the occasion is shocking ie match size landing nets for double figure carp. Unfortunately we live in a world where anglers want to catch monsters rather than just catch, me I'm happy just to be out in the fresh air
Posted on August 7, 2015 at 6:14 PM
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