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Gravel Quarry near Manor Farm

Whatnow

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Please object to the planning permission for a gravel quarry off the A429 opposite Wasperton, (Manor Farm).
This quarrying will cause severe traffic disruption for 10/15 years as well as silica dust,noise,water abstraction, river level and pollution, up to 1000 lorry movements per week.
Objections must be registered before 03 February either online at Warwickshire.gov.uk ref no:WDC/22CM008.
or by post to W.C.C. Shire hall rear post room, Northgate St, Warwick,CV34 4RL

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Posted on January 16, 2023 at 5:28 PM

Re5erv0irReg

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Re: Gravel Quarry near Manor Farm

Hi Whatnow,
That is Alarming News that you have made us aware of in your post!

I am aware that Mr.Williams does read the Forums, and what has occurred to me is,
could Mr.Williams on behalf of the Total Membership of the BAA lodge a Block rejection of this proposal on behalf of All the Membership?

Keep on Fishing

Posted on January 16, 2023 at 7:03 PM

Whatnow

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Re: Gravel Quarry near Manor Farm

I am not conversant with planning application objections but I have the relevant url to look up the application which only went public on the 13th Jan and objections have to be put forward by the 3rd Feb.
http://planning.warwickshire.gov.uk/swiftlg/apas/run/wphmakerep.dis...

I am in touch with a member of the Barford residents group and there is a meeting at The Methodists Church Hall, Bridge St, Wellesbourne,CV35 9QP at 7:30pm Wednesday 18th Jan.
I will attend and maybe a petition? will be raised in objection.

Posted on January 16, 2023 at 7:58 PM

onelastcast

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Re: Gravel Quarry near Manor Farm

Reg you really cannot expect an en mass vote to be raised as an objection on behalf of BAA members through any one person. Better object individually through the link.

Posted on January 16, 2023 at 8:05 PM

Whatnow

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Re: Gravel Quarry near Manor Farm

I have just been informed by one of the residents committee that all objections have to be done individually they say a petition only counts as one objection Just done mine took about 5 mins.

Posted on January 16, 2023 at 9:01 PM

onelastcast

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Re: Gravel Quarry near Manor Farm

Can't get that link to work, might be this device, will try another, but will register objection. Thanks for the heads up.

Posted on January 16, 2023 at 9:43 PM

Bazpeck

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Re: Gravel Quarry near Manor Farm

Objection filed … I

Posted on January 17, 2023 at 6:25 AM

Whatnow

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Re: Gravel Quarry near Manor Farm

Thank you Bazpeck. Onelastcast it is not a link as such but the full web address including the H.T.T.Protocol so has to be put in the empty browser line in its entirety.
n.b. I am old enough to remember the local gravel works in the 60' it was a right mess the A429 was known as windscreen alley. If this quarrying is given permission it will severely disrupt travelling on the local roads and angling access.

Posted on January 17, 2023 at 10:15 AM

john_williams

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Re: Gravel Quarry near Manor Farm

The proposed quarry is well away from the BAA fishing at Wasperton, being the other side of the A429. It is difficult to see legitimate grounds on which the BAA could object? Unless some one out there can enlighten me?

Posted on January 17, 2023 at 1:22 PM

Whatnow

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Re: Gravel Quarry near Manor Farm

I have objected on the grounds of probable extreme traffic disruption to access Manor Farm and delays 6 days a week.Probable air pollution, probable more river pollution and further water abstraction effecting our recreational angling rights.
I am surprised more local anglers have not responded to this subject.

Posted on January 17, 2023 at 8:59 PM

Fishychris

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Re: Gravel Quarry near Manor Farm

I'm no expert on these things, but from what I know of other such processes, you will need to show that the problems caused will outweigh the gains. Bear in mind the council will see a lot of dollar signs, you'll need to find some pretty bad consequences. Are there any other proposals you can learn from, which have either been successfully or unsuccessfully challenged?

Posted on January 17, 2023 at 9:35 PM

Whatnow

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Re: Gravel Quarry near Manor Farm

Thanks for your input Fishychris. The local residents group have been in opposition to this proposal for several years on various grounds. The Planning Application went public last Friday which only leaves a couple of weeks for objections to be registered with Warwickshire Council.
Why does this site crash out on a blue screen all the time?

Posted on January 18, 2023 at 2:09 PM

Fishychris

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Re: Gravel Quarry near Manor Farm

Re the site I think it's the server being overloaded. A refresh usually does the trick. Things like traffic being affected I doubt would be of interest to the council without showing what the cost of that would be financially, environmentally etc. This may already be the way it's being tackled, and again I'm no expert, but I think there will need to be a lot of evidence, stats etc to validate the arguments. In public licence appeals, which I have more background in, you can't just say 'we don't want a pub built because it will be full of pissed angry people' you have to demonstrate the likelihood of that causing social issues, safety issues and the cost of repairs etc required caused by damage directly linked to the building. Its difficult to get these things listened to. Half arsed 'I spent 5 minutes filling a form in' types of approaches won't make a difference. I'm not saying that is what anyone has done, but 500 of those isn't worth 1 good one.

Posted on January 18, 2023 at 3:23 PM

Whatnow

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Re: Gravel Quarry near Manor Farm

Thanks Fishychris, The main opposition to this planning application is being done through the Barford Residents group who have a lot of information (www. barfordresidents.co.uk). eg: all this week from11:00am to 13:00 at the village community shop they are offering help to people who want to raise an objection. If this quarry does go ahead it will seriously affect traffic and travelling in the district for everybody including anglers. The implications to health of fine silica dust is not fully understood at this present time, all quarry workers have to wear the appropriate P.P.E. but not the general public/anglers around and downwind of the site. Gravel/sand pits use huge amounts of water which will be abstracted directly or indirectly from tha Avon. Used water will be returned but in what state?
e-mail queries can be sent to chairman@barfordresidents.co.uk

Posted on January 18, 2023 at 11:40 PM

Baldyman

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Re: Gravel Quarry near Manor Farm

Some of the land earmarked for gravel extraction belongs to St Johns College,Oxford. A chunk of it belongs to Warwick council,the very people that have the final say on whether it gets the green light.
Will it influence their decision? One likes to think not but in truth it has to.
Will it have any effect on the fishing on the Avon at Wasperton? Highly unlikely,as Mr Williams says,it's on the other side of the A429.

Posted on January 19, 2023 at 10:52 AM

Whatnow

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Re: Gravel Quarry near Manor Farm

According to the residents group most of the land is owned by St Johns who stand to make a small amount of money compared to them being the richest Uni in England. If the quarry does go ahead then driving to Wasperton from all directions will be very stressfull and time consuming for anglers. Of course if night fishing was allowed at Manor farm then you could drive to and from site out of quarrying hours.
The river as you know is heavily abstracted for agricultual use and further heavy abstraction directly or indirecly from ground water or the brook will effect biodiversity to some extent and therefore fishing. If a proper survey is done of water life for example in the Thelsford brook, which flows from the quarry side of the A429, they might find some endangered species? The Barford W.D.C. MP who is against the proposal took out a private members bill to discourage quarrying close to residential areas but Wellesbourne comes under S.D.C and a different MP.

Posted on January 19, 2023 at 8:20 PM

Bazpeck

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Re: Gravel Quarry near Manor Farm

I think the ‘it’s the other side of the road’ argument is quite ignorant and short sighted . As whatnow has stated there is a water course linked to ours and Leamingtons waters . I’m
Sure the people turning a blind eye to the proposed quarry would have plenty to say should our waters fall foul of a pollution incident.

That’s my opinion, the ‘im alright Jack attitude’ can come back to bite you on the backside in the long run .

Posted on January 20, 2023 at 7:26 AM

john_williams

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Re: Gravel Quarry near Manor Farm

Thelsford brook does discharge into the Avon, however this is near to Charlcote Mill, which is well downstream of BAA fishing. I am sure that Charlcote will be making their own representations to the planning authority on this matter.
The BAA could complain that any discharge into the Avon would be detrimental on environmental grounds, but not on any direct impact on the BAA fishery.

Posted on January 20, 2023 at 12:16 PM

Whatnow

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Re: Gravel Quarry near Manor Farm

My main purpose of this subject was to make fellow anglers and the BAA aware and that they did not have their heads in the sand (& gravel).
As far as the Barfords resident group is concerned, the more objectors the better.

For info go tohttp://www.barfordresidents.co.uk/latest-stop-the-quarry-updates/...

Many villages, towns and roads in the area will be affected if the plan goes ahead so it is important not to think of it just as Barfords problem.
Travelling to fishing waters in Stratford upon Avon and South of S-ON-A can already be very challenging at times.

Posted on January 20, 2023 at 12:29 PM

Baldyman

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Re: Gravel Quarry near Manor Farm

Thelsford Brook runs through the middle of the proposed gravel extraction site and contains,along with other species,a population of wild Brown Trout and also Bullhead(Millers Thumb). Both species are protected under various UK and EU wildlife acts. They survived when there was a gravel quarry either side of the brook between Wasperton and Charlecote(can't recall such a fuss being made about that going ahead),what effect quarrying around the upper reaches will have is unknown. Will their presence make a difference to planning consent being given? Doubtful,even SSSI's can be bulldozed aside for the sake of "progress". HS2 for example.
As for increased traffic,I think the,now claimed,1200 lorries a week is a bit fanciful. Given the stated 12 hour working day,six days a week,200 lorries a day,16.6666666667 an hour,one every 3.6 minutes,weighed,loaded,weighed again and sent on it's way. Assuming typical 20 ton tippers, 4,000 tons of aggregate a day,24,000 tons a week,1,248,000 tons a year. Five times the national average output.
Sand and gravel has to be quarried somewhere,if not outside Barford it will be outside some other village. It is not and,never has been,harvested from clouds by Fairies riding Unicorns.

Posted on January 23, 2023 at 10:03 AM
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