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Great to see Our Bailiffs doing fantastic work on removal of licence Dodgers and also the serious matter of Poaching...
It's getting a problem especially the Eastern European origin. Let's all get behind our Bailiffs and help protect our great Waters.
Well Done BAA.
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Posted on July 7, 2015 at 8:30 PM
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Re: Licence Dodgers and Poaching
I think it's becoming a serious problem, and all members should remain vigilant to these people. I'm not so bothered for licence dodgers as I am about the poachers stealing our fish, although it does tend to go hand in hand. I believe the bailiffs had a terrific result last weekend, but this problem of Eastern Europeans is going to take more than bailiffs to tackle! We should ALL report these illegals, as the only way to stop them is by hearty fines and photos of these people in the public domain.
Keep up the good work
Posted on July 8, 2015 at 6:49 AM
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Re: Licence Dodgers and Poaching
Its difficult to deal with. Do you call the bailiffs if EE's are fishing on a venue? A friend approached 1 on another club water showed his permit and asked to see the other chaps. He was very offended and uncooperative as he was always being asked just coz he was Polish. After he calmed down he had his permits and we have met him several times since, nice guy who loves fishing.
Without seeing someone doing something illegal do you just call the bailiffs anyway?
Posted on July 8, 2015 at 8:18 AM
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Re: Licence Dodgers and Poaching
I agree but to ask for his licence is part of the club policy and you would not know what nationality he was before you asked so there is no discrimination.
It is in the best interest for our waters to be protected from illegal fishing and poaching.
Posted on July 8, 2015 at 8:56 AM
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Re: Licence Dodgers and Poaching
When you sign for BAA membership, you have a duty to the organisation! Everybody should have their licence on them at all times, and regardless of race, nationality or creed, we are all responsible for the walfare of our waters and fish species. Generally, poachers are mob handed and kill/cook fish bankside. If you see this kind of activity, you should notify both BAA and police who are trying hard to tackle problems like this. I also understand that it is difficult to police all waters at all times, but helping bailiffs do their job is a step in the right direction!
Posted on July 8, 2015 at 9:37 AM
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Re: Licence Dodgers and Poaching
i have in the past and will continue to either attempt to sort myself or call the bailiffs. I pay my dues, obey the rules, even if i dont like them so as far as i am concerned so should everyone else.
Its a potentially hazardous job being a bailiff and almost every bailiff i have met on a variety of waters and location have been knowledgeable and helpful. Hats off to them.
Was bailiffed last night by Steve he had already found someone with no license and was off to Marlclif to assist another bailiff, this after a days work in his "real job"
Posted on July 9, 2015 at 9:35 AM
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Re: Licence Dodgers and Poaching
i would be very carefull these EE's can be nasty b*******. steer clear, call the bailiff hot line and call the police. a few fish aint worth a good kickin'. this is what we pay our license fees for.
Posted on July 9, 2015 at 8:56 PM
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I am lol i will normally just chat to start with then inquire about membership, if i get any negativity or aggression i just walk away and call bailiffs. Its not just the EE's that can get nasty, travellers can be very bad news and ordinary people can get very aggressive if they are caught doing somehing they shouldnt.
Posted on July 10, 2015 at 9:36 AM
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100% with bobrich on this, just don't go in guns blazing and make sure you have an exit strategy, ha! Checked many a EE and on one particular evening I was going to go back to check a group after putting my kit in the van, and then the EA turned up c/w stab vests the lot, and to cut a long story.... they removed them and their tackle, they went one way and the tackle the other (in the van).
One of the worst cases was a EE casting over a anglers line in the same peg with a lure!! He couldn't understand what he was doing wrong, a rather burly BAA baliff soon explained.
Posted on July 10, 2015 at 12:44 PM
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Re: Licence Dodgers and Poaching
Anyone know the baa bailiff hotline number?
Posted on July 15, 2015 at 6:34 PM
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Re: Licence Dodgers and Poaching
I have the mob for an area bailiff Steve who i met at Bidford or if you ring the main number there might be a recording that will help
Posted on July 15, 2015 at 6:48 PM
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Re: Licence Dodgers and Poaching
Hi All, on my last post i meant to say EA hotline number, so here it is: EA hotline on 0800 807060. this includes suspected illegal fishing, fish theft etc etc.
Posted on July 16, 2015 at 7:53 AM
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I'm Polish, for about 2 seasons BAA member, sadly i can just tell that BAA has no idea how to tackle the problem. Members don't know what to do when they spot someone poaching or breaking rules. Looks like it's just the easiest way to blame everyone who has got EE accent. Last week ive been fishing ladyham strech and met baa baliff, he was so suprised when i showed him NON-Fishing license for my girlfriend, we spoke about the problem and he asked me if i'd like to be volunteer bailiff - i said yes, of course and gave him my card. And of course there is no response from the club.
There are few simple things that could be done such as:
-signs in few languages
-combined ee&en bailiff patrols
-clear instruction for members "what to to when spotted poaching"
-BAA rules translated to other languages
and many others
...where there's a will there's a way...
Posted on July 16, 2015 at 5:44 PM
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It's such refreshing and great points made by Lesny69. And I do think BAA should contact this person and refresh the understanding and working together to tackle the problems in this debate, And to make it clear its not just certain EE but a UK culture problem.
Great Post Lesny69.....
Posted on July 16, 2015 at 7:53 PM
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Re: Licence Dodgers and Poaching
BAA probably has quite a few members from other countries, suspect many will want to help as its their fishing being adversley affected by poachers.
Posted on July 17, 2015 at 1:37 PM
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Re: Licence Dodgers and Poaching
BAA are way to slow to respond to most things. As much as I appreciate the amount of venues and the cost, the way it's run is pretty poor compared to many other clubs, and I speak from experience of being a member in other clubs. The Angling Trust published a set of notices in different languages. I sent these to the BAA who chose to disregard them. If the BAA cannot be seen to help themselves and be proactive then it will come as no surprise to see the current issues continue.
Posted on July 19, 2015 at 5:27 PM
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I could argue that why should signs be put up in different languages, pretty sure most countries dont, if you are visiting or living in another country its your responsibility to know the law. That said i think signs are a good idea but i suspect most of those poaching do so in the full knowledge of what they are doing. The police and EA need to be more effective.and the courts much harsher.
Posted on July 19, 2015 at 5:33 PM
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Re: Licence Dodgers and Poaching
Firstly, the people I know who have been poaching, are members, know the rules, speak and write good English AND KNOW its illegal to poach, but do it anyway with total disregard of rules or other users. Secondly, this is not a BAA rule, its countrywide and poaching is Illegal in the British Isles... Enough said!
Before anyone asks, i have informed the baa on illegal activities and dodgers and poachers were caught, so its just that easy, just be a bit more proactive when on the bank, but dont put yourself in danger!
Posted on July 19, 2015 at 6:27 PM
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Re: Licence Dodgers and Poaching
I think it would be a total waste of BAA funds to print info signs in different languages.These people know exactly what they are doing and have no respect for the prevailing angling culture. Signs informing anglers of EA poaching hotlines might be more effective.
Posted on July 19, 2015 at 6:39 PM
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Of course lot of poachers exactly know the rules and they may just use it as an excuse. But signs could show that BAA is doing something about that. Of course it does matter what would be on the signs. Probably "C&R only" in few languages wouldn't help a lot but writing something like "hidden cameras in use" "new anti poaching BAA policy" etc. so they will think twice before kill any fish.
Same with clear instructions to baa members - poachers will read it as well, they probably wouldn't stop poaching but may target not baa waters just choice something "easier".
The worst is doing nothing.
Posted on July 19, 2015 at 8:33 PM
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