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On the 27th August a couple of GirlingAS members witnessed two guys at Fladbury on the BAA bank with Bivvies filling in the river with bait and throwing beer bottles on to the island.
The land owner of the right bank and the land owner of the island would be appalled at their behavior. The BAA must know who these guys are assuming they made a booking to night fish the stretch.
We are a match fishing club and using Carp methods to catch Barbel by heavy pre-baiting and using bolt rigs is destroying the stretch. How much does the BAA earn by allowing these idiots to night fish the stretch? I'm sure that at the end of the day when the Barbel have gone the answer will be that it wasn't worth it.
I will wait for a response from the BAA but I don't expect any action. This leaves me no alternative but to talk to the owner of the right bank to get night fishing on the BAA right bank of Fladbury stopped once and for all.
Frank Bagley - Secretary of Girling Angling Society.
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Posted on September 8, 2021 at 2:56 AM
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Re: Night fishing and bad behavior at Fladbury
They probably never had a BAA membership, never mind a night ticket.
I don't fish that stretch, but what does banning night fishing solve if the above is true?
You can't ban something for the reason it's not your way of fishing.
Posted on September 8, 2021 at 6:08 AM
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Re: Night fishing and bad behavior at Fladbury
That's depressing, especially with what is happening at Fladbury with the security being paid for by the owner to prevent this sort of behaviour.
The weir is a sensitive area regarding spawning Barbel, I have advocated that all fishing should be off limits there anyway, let alone allowing night fishing with carp gear with boozed up thugs.
The BAA would know who the culprits are, and need to take action .
I hope the Association realise you just cannot keep taking these places for granted, literally killing the very thing that attracts revenue, river management and adopting a more understanding on habitat would be a start.
The BAA control a huge amount of waters, but I do wonder if there is enough effort put into the more scientific understanding of maintaining these waters to ensure there is a future in Angling.
Fladbury is local to me, and if we were to lose this stretch it would be a blow, but on the other hand perhaps it would be better , a lot better for the Barbel and other species.
Posted on September 8, 2021 at 6:12 AM
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Re: Night fishing and bad behavior at Fladbury
Crag, that stretch is unique and a rarity nowadays in that Barbel congregate there in early summer to probably spawn. Many small male Barbel are caught, and the odd female, this area is probably the most important area for Barbel, and Chub recruitment in the middle Avon. It would be easy to instigate an out of bounds rule for the weir and run off, in fact it is a gated area now. To allow night fishing permits is just bonkers!
Posted on September 8, 2021 at 6:21 AM
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Re: Night fishing and bad behavior at Fladbury
Morning fellow d’anglers,
If what Frank Bagley is correct, then that does bring great shame on our Association.
I think that I am correct in my thinking that the Girling Association have had the water opposite Fladbury for all the years that I have been fishing, which is now 63 and still going!
I have attached an image of page 18 from the 2021 BAA Guide to Waters that clearly states
Night Fishing by Permit Only!
I know that the BAA Bailiff’s do conduct Evening Patrols as Mike Wood informed me when I fished at Pool Quay recently.
I then reviewed the current Guide Book in detail and discovered that of the current 69 Waters to Fish; 54 of them have the “No Fishing Image on them”.
Unfortunately 6 of them do not have the image, Why, these are Pages: 11, 29, 54, 63, 71 and 77?
Which leaves the following NINE venues available to fish, With a Night Permit
River Avon - Fladbury
River Severn - Knowle Sands - Eardington Brook Section - Ribbesford - Ladyham - Ripple & Birds Meadow
River Teme: Stanford Bridge
Pools: Mythe Pool - Coppice Pool
Should we put a Q Code reader at these 9 venues for the Permitted Anglers to scan on the Evening that they have booked, or do we get the Bailiff to check on the Permits on the Nights that they have been issued for, or do we just BAN Night fishing?
Because we do not want to lose any of these waters!
Keep on Fishing
Posted on September 8, 2021 at 7:27 AM
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Re: Night fishing and bad behavior at Fladbury
Walk along any stretch of a river the BAA have the fishing rights and its the same old problem .
Members not taking their rubbish home with them .
Banning night fishing will not solve the problem. Same old story of a few idiots spoiling it for every one else .
If a night permit was paid for to fish Fladbury and the BAA know who the culprits were . Then get the evidence and ban them for life .
Just because a few mindless idiots choose to behave in the way they do . Its not right or fair for the rest of us to suffer and ban night fishing . I would suggest its down to the BAA to police their waters better .
Banning night fishing at Fladbury will just move the problem to some where else .
Posted on September 8, 2021 at 4:35 PM
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Re: Night fishing and bad behavior at Fladbury
Just so SAD If this is true What is the mater with people.
I hope Baa rules state that anglers caught without the correct permits will be prosecuted. And anyone caught littering will be banned from club waters for life.
Posted on September 8, 2021 at 5:16 PM
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Re: Night fishing and bad behavior at Fladbury
There was only one member booked on Fladbury that night.The problem is proving it was him.The only easy would be to catch them there in the act.Obviously this group shouldn’t of been there and as said above this kind of behaviour is a big,ever increasing problem that’s even worse on the Severn.There are weekly night checks and there are people being removed but sometimes it feels like we are chasing shadows and it’s difficult to cover all the problem areas as often as they need it
Posted on September 8, 2021 at 8:14 PM
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Re: Night fishing and bad behavior at Fladbury
Because any access to the weir is locked and gated, the member fishing surely has to be responsible? It's not as though it has to be proved in a court of law as to who did what, the member was supposed to maintain order. He did not.
Posted on September 8, 2021 at 8:58 PM
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Re: Night fishing and bad behavior at Fladbury
What is stopping other members without a night permit fishing as they would also have the gatecode?
Posted on September 8, 2021 at 10:20 PM
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Re: Night fishing and bad behavior at Fladbury
I don't think the problem is any worse on BAA waters than most clubs of any reasonable size. It's easy to police when a club has one stretch, but other multi-venue clubs have the same issue.
I agree with RN, banning night fishing will not solve the issue. In fact going the other way is the way forward- make it more accessible, then you can have better control of it, and in turn reduce the issues. Keep your enemies closer, type thing.
Unfortunately I don't believe they are breaking any law, just club rules. (If they are members). Meaning prosecution isn't an option. If they're not members then they could be prosecuted, but they would need to be caught in the act and with swift police attendance.
You also can't just assume the one member who booked a ticket is responsible. That's asking for trouble. Plus, if they are the kind of person who follows procedure in booking a ticket, paying the 10 quid etc, the chances are they're not the type of person who would behave as described.
Bailiffs are voluntary. It's difficult to find people willing to do something for the common good these days. But plenty of people are happy to point out faults. If you are getting tired of seeing this sort of thing, the best thing you can do is offer to attend with bailiffs every now and then. If you do it after fishing it's really not much of an inconvenience.
Also remember the membership is 40 quid. I think this is too cheap. If the cost was 60 or 80 quid, that could fund some employed bailiffs. But how many people would complain if the cost went up. You can't have such cheap fishing and expect the club to be run perfectly. I'd like to see the subs raised to £60 personally.
Posted on September 8, 2021 at 10:42 PM
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Re: Night fishing and bad behavior at Fladbury
Spot on there Chris,as you’ve seen first hand with us,it’s a difficult issue to keep on top of especially this time of the year.Hopefully it will calm down a bit as it gets a bit colder.This year has been the worst I’ve known for issues like this.
Posted on September 8, 2021 at 10:53 PM
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Re: Night fishing and bad behavior at Fladbury
This Fladbury situation is not the ordinary pissed up anglers acting badly, it happened on a area where we as a club are under scrutiny and this incident does nothing to help our case that we are responsible. Of course the majority of the membership are, and personally I see little problems there with littering etc. But there is an anti angling brigade in the village, and this sort of thing does not help.
I don't know the lease arrangement with the land owners, but given the owners employ security to protect the Nait, i.e. the gated area to the weir this has done nothing to help our cause.
My comments regarding fishing this area at all due to its spawning importance, is a separate issue, but nonetheless for me relevant
My point that the owner of the night fishing permit has to take some responsibility for the incident stands, and yes the code is available to all members, and perhaps the subs should be increased to fund full time bailiffs, and we should all engage in patrols , but I would hope the BAA executive officers will take action on this to prevent any further problems, if it's not already too late.
Posted on September 9, 2021 at 6:16 AM
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Re: Night fishing and bad behavior at Fladbury
If the bloke fishing the venue that night had the relevant night permit and was at the other end of the fishery then he might of been unaware this was even happening,even if he did would he be expected to challenge a group of pissed up lads on his own in the middle of the night?
Or he could of been the guilty and let his mates in the gate.Who knows with any certainty what went on.These are just two of many scenarios that could of happened and unless there is any evidence of this then it’s impossible for the club to take any action against the member.
Posted on September 9, 2021 at 7:23 AM
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Re: Night fishing and bad behavior at Fladbury
That's a pretty long shot that he wouldn't be aware..even if there was that scenario he probably would have a phone to call for assistance.
However, a bigger issue is that the land owner of the Nait sadly recently passed away, the estate is in probate, and I believe the wish is to sell the land.
All a bit hush hush at the moment, but it is possible that the area might well be out of bounds petmantley thus affecting the BAA future lease arrangement.
So, just to be clear then, the 'bloke' who had the night ticket has nothing to answer to?
Posted on September 9, 2021 at 7:46 AM
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Tried to edit above post, wouldnt let me...the Nait in probate I have just discovered this a.m so was unaware in previous posts..
Posted on September 9, 2021 at 7:54 AM
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Re: Night fishing and bad behavior at Fladbury
You can’t just start throwing accusations at the chap just because he was fishing that venue the same night.And with the correct permit.Even if it was him and his mates he isn’t going to hold his hands up and admit it is he?Which brings me back to my point of not being able to prove it.
We can’t start penalising and throwing accusations at legitimate members every time there’s an incident at the venue they might happen to be fishing the same night.
As you live local and this venue is clearly close to your heart,I could put you in touch with the local bailiffs if you are interested in maybe arranging a few night patrols with them down there?I’m sure they would be grateful of any help offered.
Posted on September 9, 2021 at 8:13 AM
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Re: Night fishing and bad behavior at Fladbury
Merely stating the bleeding obvious, he was a BAA accredited member, not accusing him of anything except he should know what happened, not really that difficult .
Now that old chestnut about taking on bailiffng responsibilities like I or we non bailiffs do nothing to protect our fisheries, I can assure you I do and have done in the past, but that is not really a reasonable response from you.
You have ignored the biggest issue regarding the potential selling of the Nait, which is odd, preferring yet again to bang on about the innocence of this member, very odd.
Posted on September 9, 2021 at 8:35 AM
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Re: Night fishing and bad behavior at Fladbury
If the club were to instruct or expect members to challenge in such situations, and the member were to be assaulted, the club would be liable. They would also be required to provide training to all members on how to handle such situations, perform risk assessments and all sorts. I don't think it would ever be deemed reasonable for members to have that responsibility.
You can't be guilty by attendance. That's like saying everyone in a pub is guilty of affray if 2 blokes have a fight, because they should have all stopped it.
Posted on September 9, 2021 at 8:46 AM
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Re: Night fishing and bad behavior at Fladbury
Now now Neil,don’t start all this crap again,I thought we had a good constructive chat on Sunday,let’s not go backwards.Why was your tone completely different on Sunday when discussing issues face to face?
Chris this is my point exactly.I mean the chap could of been sat on the opposite end of the fishery and not known what they were up to,it’s impossible to know for sure unless you are there.This will be noted and the local bailiffs informed and I’m sure they will increase patrols in that area,not sure what else we can do in this situation.
Posted on September 9, 2021 at 9:28 AM
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