Birmingham Anglers Association

Re: New water - Retreat Farm Fishery

Stewart, you said I am not sure how I stand with Barbel in still waters, I used to be against it but seeing how they 'thrive', you might reconsider.

I am simply advocating as others are that BAA should not stock Barbel in still waters,don't take it personally, it's a forum where views are aired , I am simply lobbying you, as I understand you sit on the committee,and to pond stock Barbel would in my opinion that would be a bad idea.

Plenty of good science out there to support what I say.

And as John says if you want to catch a Barbel no better than a river, BAA has plenty to go at, Barbel need more oxygenated water than most coarse fish to survive, carp need far less,the mortality rate would be high, plus the fish retained in keepnets would add to that. So rather than 'thrive' they would suffer, just common sense really.

Re: New water - Retreat Farm Fishery

Here we go again,why is it that every discussion on here I have to repeat myself over and over again to you?It's literally like hitting my head against the wall every time I have a discussion with you!POINT 1.I disagree with barbel being stocked in pools.POINT 2.They have done ok in some well looked after fisheries.POINT 3.I have not mentioned at any point in this post that I intend on advocating the sticking of them in any baa pools.Is that clear enough?Or am I going to have to repeat all this another 3 times?

Re: New water - Retreat Farm Fishery

*stocking not sticking

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The pools are too small for them anyway,and when I say they've done ok,I mean just that,they probably haven't bred and as mentioned before would probably be the first to go belly up if there was a sudden drop in oxygen or the pools weren't looked after and overstocked and not aerated properly.I really don't know how I can make my position any clearer?

Re: New water - Retreat Farm Fishery

OK, just stick wiv tench for now then but some cud get in there wiv flooding....do we put em back in the river then?

Re: New water - Retreat Farm Fishery

Defnitely don't want barbel putting in there, as has been rightly pointed out elsewhere on this thread by several people, it ain't the optimum environment for them to thrive and breed, and there's plenty just behind the pools in the Severn anyway.

Pity they're carp ponds in the main, I'd echo the call for more tench and a bit more of a balance with different species for whom stillwater is a better fit.

That said, delighted to have some new pools to try out not far away from home and that aren't commercial madness.

Re: New water - Retreat Farm Fishery

OK, just stick wiv tench for now then but some cud get in there wiv flooding....do we put em back in the river then?

Re: New water - Retreat Farm Fishery

That's true,they tend to hug the bottom or sit in the slack water,I think it's very unlikely any would end up in the pools,also that part of the Severn doesn't have the amount of barbel you might find in the middle Severn

Re: New water - Retreat Farm Fishery

I think with all that back peddling and head banging Stew needs a lie down, but glad he has taken on board some good advice and reconsidered his pond barbel idea.

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Yet another idiotic response.Please point out what I've back pedalled on?Now before you respond read carefully all the comments I've made as this is clearly something you are struggling to do.

Re: New water - Retreat Farm Fishery

Nothing wrong with listening to common sense Stew, perhaps I imagined what you said then regarding' thriving' still water Barbel then?

You might have got it wrong, nothing to be mad about.

Re: New water - Retreat Farm Fishery

Barbelgod,, there have been occasions when Barbel do find their way into ponds, but despite our best efforts to date I don't think they have managed to get into Uckinghall, despite the 'open door' policy However some rather aggressive Eastern Europeans types have, and are eating their way through are poor English stocks of Roach Perch and Bream,

Not to worry about though, apparently

Re: New water - Retreat Farm Fishery

Right so because I've said that barbel thrive in some well looked after fisheries,which they do,they might not breed but they seem to do ok in some sensibly stocked well oxygenated fisheries,you have jumped to the conclusion that I am going to advocate the stocking of barbel into these small baa pools?No back pedalling there at all,like I said before I have to repeat everything 4-5-6 times before it seems to register with you.May I suggest in the next post you want to start an argument with me,which seems a regular thing with you,try reading what I've actually wrote before using words like"probably "to quite often wrongly predict my views and intentions.

Re: New water - Retreat Farm Fishery

Well it has been some journey trying to get what you actually think Stew, I personally don't think Barbel at all should be stocked in still waters, as do most I suspect. And that includes well oxygenated ponds, and even if they were large enough.

I would hope the BAA would never go down that route, however if it was the will of the committee to do so I would fight tooth and nail to try and lobby against, but it is a club that has members and if that was what the members wanted, then so be it.

Barbel are uniquely a River species, they are adapted to live in such, and that is the crux of the matter.

Forums are an ideal way of reaching out to what members feel, and since BAA have embraced this format at last, it is a good thing we can put over our views,therefore people like your good self should welcome that and not be ultra defensive.

Re: New water - Retreat Farm Fishery

The only thing I'm being defensive about is your attitude towards me and the fact that you seem to want to oppose everything I say and start an argument about things I have not even said!You don't read my comments properly and criticise me for things I haven't even said!Also I have to repeat my points over and over again as you somehow seem to be having difficulty in understanding even though I've broke it down to you several times.Where has there been any mention from me about stocking barbel into these pools?You really need to stop for a minute and read comments properly before presuming the worst and incorrectly predicting the clubs intentions,Hopefully we cross paths on the bank soon and can discuss things without me having to repeat myself a dozen times!

Re: New water - Retreat Farm Fishery

I fished one of the new pools (No1) last weekend with the promise that it was stocked with some of our more traditional species such as roach and crucians, the only other fish to be caught apart from carp were 2 chub (no doubt trapped by floods). Why stock carp at all? If i wanted to catch carp i could stop at any one of the dozen carp pools i passed on my 7 mile drive to this venue!

Hopefully BAA will see sense and not add carp to pool 3.

Re: New water - Retreat Farm Fishery

You would never find me Stew, I like peace and quiet, certainly don't want some BAA bailiff 'sky lining' me...and banging on about all things ponds

Re: New water - Retreat Farm Fishery

You would never find me Stew, I like peace and quiet, certainly don't want some BAA bailiff 'sky lining' me...and banging on about all things ponds

Re: New water - Retreat Farm Fishery

Ha ha ha ha,there you go,typical immature response yet again.Its honestly like having a conversation with my 4 year old with you except I get more sense out of him!No matter what me or anyone else says I'm sure you will find something to moan about.The offer is there if you would like to discuss your concerns in person,feel free to get in touch.

Re: New water - Retreat Farm Fishery

One last cast seems to be winding you up stew, yuv said yer piece stew doh rise to it.