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Otter fencing!

Tracker

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After some thought I have a suggestion to anyone thinking of protecting a fishery from otter predation.
Otters with webbed feet are not good diggers or climbers, it is Mr Fox and Mr Badger that dig the holes and let Mr Otter simply walk in.
They can be kept out without the highly expensive use of machinery to dig ground below a fence which is then filled with concrete.
This method will cost shed-loads of money and can be very difficult to do at some venues.
For a material cost of less than £2.00 per metre the same result as using tons of concrete can be achieved.
All it needs is to use what is known as ''stock fencing wire''!
This would laid flat on the ground on the outside of the fence.
Attached with a strong tying wire to the bottom of the fence, with the other edge fixed to the ground with heavy duty 12 inch long tent pegs.
About one per metre should be OK!
One type has 6inch square holes another has 12 inch x 4inch holes, which when laid flat on the ground, no fox or badger could dig through.
It is made in 50 meter lengths and the 1 metre wide type would be ideal.
With VAT included, on the first price I looked at on Ebay, works out at £1.22 per metre.
The tent pegs I looked at were 80p each including VAT.
Take the VAT off and it is well under £2.00 a metre .
A kilometre of otter protection for less than £2,000.
An absolute bargain!
It would cost more than this to hire a digger.
The cost of the fence itself depends on what spec is required.
You may want to keep people out as well as the otters.

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Posted on January 15, 2022 at 12:57 PM

Bazpeck

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Re: Otter fencing!

If leamington angling assosociation can afford to fit an otter fence at jubilee pools then can we use their blueprint for coppice .

Posted on January 15, 2022 at 4:55 PM

Bazpeck

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Re: Otter fencing!

Also I believe the AT are assisting leamington with fencing and monitoring any otter problems with trail cams . Could the AT help a club as big as the BAA.

Posted on January 15, 2022 at 5:00 PM

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Re: Otter fencing!

From time to time AT offer funding for otter fencing using EA money. It can also be worth someone within the BAA speaking to their local EA fisheries officer to see if there are funds available for such a project.

They will expect BAA to at least match the funds offered.

Posted on January 16, 2022 at 4:29 PM

onelastcast

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Re: Otter fencing!

I mentioned this last week with the fag packet quote for fencing...but the AT money is limited and any funding applications have to be in pdq . But not sure that there is the will to do anything at the moment, hopefully though it will happen, can't see the point in having pools that contain no fish. Just how such projects are agreed I don't know, but it might be a good idea to tap into the extensive membership to see if there is a willingness to fund such projects or at least offer labour support, would be good if there was a positive response from HQ.

Posted on January 16, 2022 at 9:43 PM

RiverNovice

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Re: Otter fencing!

I think the money would be better spent else where. When you consider how many stretches of river are totally unfishable. Members have complained in the past at the lack of pegs on some stretches of river.

Give you an example,If you take Severn Stoke down stream of the car park. The first field has very few pegs that are fishable. The second field down stream from the car park has no pegs at all that are fishable?

I know on some social media platforms there have been comments about how every one who fishes Severn Stoke tend to congrate in and around the car park area waiting for swims to become vacant.
Every knows how popular Severn Stoke can be when the conditions are right at this time of the year . Maybe if their were more fishable pegs in the second field down stream from the car park then it would open up the whole stretch for members to fish and you would not get complaints about members fishing so close together?

The same can be said of the W/Avon members have complained about the lack of fishable pegs.
on some stretches. I assume the BAA have a limited amount of money to spend each season and that money has to be spent wisely

Posted on January 16, 2022 at 10:51 PM

Bazpeck

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Re: Otter fencing!

The thing is river novice thatSlot of the membership in recent years is from younger folks that are more interested in carp angling . A lot of them have joined to fish coppice . With no carp left to to fish then you won’t attract these anglers and so lose a percentage of members. I may be very wrong but however that’s how I’ve read it on various forums etc . Also with areas of the lower severn being so prone to big floods you can find yourself spending money repairing the same pegs annually after flood damage . These are just my opinions so I’m not saying your right or wrong I’m just trying to give a balanced approach

Posted on January 17, 2022 at 7:25 AM

Bazpeck

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Re: Otter fencing!

A lot of the membership.. not Taylor …

Posted on January 17, 2022 at 7:25 AM

onelastcast

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Re: Otter fencing!

RN you have not read the room again, we are not discussing river's the lack of fishable pegs, in places like Severn Stoke is appropriate, but the issue here is the problem BAA face in losing ponds and therefore revenue. Personally I don't fish the likes of Coppice , or Stubbs, occasionally Mythe or Uckinghall, prefer river's...but a lot of members enjoy solely carp fishing, so it would make sense to protect that for them.
We can't do much to protect rivers from Otter but we can ponds. If the cost in protection doesn't seem viable then fair enough, but it would be good to get some figures.
I have already had some contact with Otter Stop the leading apparently UK company who provide fencing, details I passed on to John Williams.
We have thousands of members who I guess would like to support either financially or otherwise in helping, but there has to be a will to do something, and not sure if we have arrived there yet.

Posted on January 17, 2022 at 9:08 AM

RiverNovice

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Re: Otter fencing!

Yes I have read the room ? This is about how the BAA spends its money?
I would suggest that the vast majority of BAA memembers are either members of clubs affiliated to the BAA and book matches on BAA waters or they are individual pleasure anglers.
Only to find out when they turn up on a stretch of water to find out it is totally unfishable

My point about Severn Stoke was that parts of it are totally over grown just like a lot of other sections of rivers and a start could be made to clear away the trees and bushes to make spaces for swims and let members dig there own pegs to make it fishable with out the need to put in platforms?

Second point its been suggested that stock fencing could be used to stop badgers and foxs digging holes to get under the fence and maybe to also to stop otters using those holes that either a fox or badger has dug ?

The only problem with that idea and having looked on the net to see what stock fencing is ?
Its made from mild steel thats has been Galvanised. In case you dont know what galvanised steel is . Its mild steel that has been immersed in molten zinc. Even though the steel has been coated in zinc it will only slow down the steel from corroding/Rusting . So at some time in the future it will have to be replaced. One other point if zinc from the galvanised steel gets in to the lake water? What kind of impact will it have on the water quality ? Will it end up killing the very fish we are trying to protect from otters?

I think the BAA has to take a long hard look on how its spends its members money in the future

Posted on January 17, 2022 at 1:49 PM

onelastcast

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Re: Otter fencing!

Removing trees and bushes to make way for platforms? The lower Severn, is canalised, and rather remove trees to speed up flow in floods is not the best of ideas.

Posted on January 17, 2022 at 3:51 PM

RiverNovice

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Re: Otter fencing!

'''My point about Severn Stoke was that parts of it are totally over grown just like a lot of other sections of rivers and a start could be made to clear away the trees and bushes to make spaces for swims and let members dig there own pegs to make it fishable with out the need to put in platforms? ''

If you read the above quote about what I said . I said their would be no need to put platforms in
All I am suggesting is remove a few trees or even just branches and bushes, I did not suggest remove every tree and bush along the whole section.
Trees,branches and bushes could be removed say every fifty yards and leave the rest untouched.

Posted on January 17, 2022 at 4:38 PM

Tracker

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Re: Otter fencing!

RiverNovice, you have totally highjacked this thread whereby I showed a viable method of protecting a fishery from digging animals, at a reasonable cost.

NOTHING MORE - NOTHING LESS!

If you want to talk about river pegs - start your own thread.

It is so annoying when threads are hijacked and go off in a totally different direction.

As for your point of stock fencing, it would last for many years and I think by then it would be covered by masses of brambles etc.
This would be an added deterrent to any animal digging.

There are many millions of miles of galvanized fences across the world which cause no problems to any watercourse that I know of.

Posted on January 18, 2022 at 5:56 AM

Bazpeck

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Re: Otter fencing!

Why would fisheries all over the country surround their waters with fencing that could pollute the waters and kill the stick ??? Youhave not looked in to it at all . You just seem to find negatives . Also all otter fencing I’ve seen is put at least a foot below ground .

Posted on January 18, 2022 at 8:14 AM

Bazpeck

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Re: Otter fencing!

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Posted on January 18, 2022 at 8:15 AM

Tracker

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Re: Otter fencing!

You are right Bazpeck, galvanized steel does no harm to fisheries at all!
For many years canal banks have been kept in place by many tons of galvanized steel piling, directly in contact with the water.

My suggested method of laying the stock wire fencing on the ground, so long as it is tied to the bottom of the main fence, about every 18 inches and pegged to the ground on the loose side will keep the digging animals out equally as well, at a much reduced cost when compared to using machinery to do any digging.

The bottom wire of the main fence should be no more than 3 inches above to ground, even better if it is touching.

I will amend the above 3 inch ground clearance to a maximum of 2 inch.

Posted on January 19, 2022 at 5:59 AM

Ollie

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Re: Otter fencing!

Re Otter fencing, if anyone wants to see how otter fencing is done in a professional and effective manner, take a look at Monkhall Fishery near Bridgnorth. You don't have to fish the venue, but if you take time to speak to Ben, the fishery owner, he'll no doubt let you have a walk round all of his pools and is not short of advice about how to put measures in place to tackle potential otter problems.

Posted on January 19, 2022 at 5:56 PM

Tracker

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Re: Otter fencing!

A fence, is a fence, is a fence, designed to keep people or animals either in or out.

Ben at Monkhall may have done his otter barrier this same way or gone down a different route.
If he has done it differently, he may see this and think that he could of saved a shedload of money.

Who knows?

What I do know is, no fishery owner in their right mind, would spend a penny more than they have to, to protect their fish stocks from otters.

Posted on January 20, 2022 at 10:02 AM

onelastcast

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Re: Otter fencing!

Looks like this thread has lost momentum, like many on here some good ideas penned, but no input from HQ, at this time, does that indicate that nothing wil be done, or perhaps hopefully, that schemes are under review?
I think to do nothing, on Carp ponds is not really an option for BAA, can't see the point in keeping these open for Angling if the stock has been eaten.
Anyone?

Posted on January 26, 2022 at 6:54 AM

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