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Bailiffs and their behaviour

Brummymoorey

Brummymoorey
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Have just read something very disturbing on one of my Facebook fishing pages.....River Severn Barbel fishing. One poster has put something up that he was fishing at Arley on the BAA section, he ordered his card on the 1st Jan and arrived this afternoon. He was asked by the local bailiff this morning for his licence, which he couldn't produce, but instead he had proof of payment to the Association. The said bailiff was having none of it, wouldn't listen, threatened to set his German shepherd dog on the bloke and smash his face in!!!!!!
Now, I don't know how much of this is fact but it made very disturbing reading along with all the replies to the thread.
Surely proof of payment would have been sufficient at this time of year with excessive xmas mail meaning possible delays in receipt of membership card.
And also, if there is just a shred of truth in it then the said bailiff needs reprimanding before someone chucks him in!!!!!

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Posted on January 8, 2020 at 5:38 PM

WyeAngler

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Re: Bailiffs and their behaviour

The email clearly states not to go fishing until the card has arrived. We bailiffs are encouraged to use our disgression however, I’ve had a couple of anglers on the bank with the email but no card, there has been no one else fishing and it’s a long way to come to Stacklands so I have advised the angler and then allowed them to fish, if the place was busy then I’d have to re-think that. There is absolutely no excuse for abusive behaviour on either side. I carry ID with me at all times and always show my bailiff card.

Posted on January 8, 2020 at 8:07 PM

stew83mul

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Re: Bailiffs and their behaviour

I think firstly it needs to be established if this bloke was actually a BAA bailiff.Obviously either way it’s out of order but after reading this post everyone seems to be jumping on the bandwagon and slagging the BAA and it’s bailiffs as a whole without knowing both sides of the story.But again if it’s true I agree it is out of order.

Posted on January 8, 2020 at 8:46 PM

Brummymoorey

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Re: Bailiffs and their behaviour

Yes I realise that in the "rules" is states no fishing without a licence, but surely once you have paid then you become a member straight away?? In this day and age bank transfer of money is direct and with the use of the internet, mobile phones, paypal, etc etc...its very easy to prove a purchase online. We are in 21st century lads!!!
As for knowing if he was actually a BAA bailiff, well, the only people who would know for sure going on the descriptions given in the online post would be the Association themselves. This is a BAD situation. Was even talks of retaliation on the thread.
Fortunately most of my river fishing is done on the Upper Severn around Welshpool. The Bailiff there is one of the nicest blokes I've met in fishing. Mike and his wife Ann are a credit to the association. Have even offered to meet up and show my around the miles and miles of upper severn water available to me.

Posted on January 9, 2020 at 7:04 AM

WyeAngler

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Re: Bailiffs and their behaviour

The rules are made by the BAA not the bailiffs. Like I said, the easiest way to identify a BAA bailiff is to ask to see their bailiff card that has a photo of them on it. Has the angler made a formal complaint to BAA rather than posting on Facebook?

Posted on January 9, 2020 at 8:12 AM

stew83mul

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Re: Bailiffs and their behaviour

As far as I’ve read the bailiff didn’t show a warrant so that is why I was questioning if he was a bailiff or not and I agree that if he was he should of showed some common sense and let the member show him his proof of purchase without getting aggressive.If it is proved to be a bailiff then I’m sure he will be dealt with accordingly because as you know this is a rare incident and the vast majority of bailiffs get nothing but praise from most members.

Posted on January 9, 2020 at 9:00 AM

WyeAngler

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Re: Bailiffs and their behaviour

We're advised not to take dogs with us when doing bailiff duties, nevermind threaten anglers with them! I'll be amazed if it was a BAA bailiff that did this if it indeed happened.

Posted on January 9, 2020 at 11:34 AM

onelastcast

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Re: Bailiffs and their behaviour

It seems there was some delay in receiving renewals recently mine was not sent, but a phone call to the Office and I got it the day after. Yes I thought could I go fishing without the licence but having the e-mail confirmation would surely suffice?
IF in fact a dog was threatened to attack a member then it us a criminal action, if I was the victim that would have been interesting as an ex RAF Police dog handler I have no fear of dogs, rats?. yep. I have been a make believe criminal too many times for Alsations tò care now....but in case any dog does bite you, best to just puts you arm into mouth, and don't try and pull away. mischievous

Posted on January 9, 2020 at 12:51 PM

stew83mul

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Re: Bailiffs and their behaviour

Also let’s not forget there’s always two sides to a story and we have only heard this chaps version of events and the subsequent backlash that followed on the Facebook post.

Posted on January 9, 2020 at 3:41 PM

Paul

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Re: Bailiffs and their behaviour

Firstly, I renewed my membership on 1st Jan and it was with me within 48hrs thanks to BAA admin an excellent turnaround.
Personally I think the reported Facebook post needs to be taken with a pinch of salt, I have never had any issues with any BAA bailiff I have met and would be confident at this time of year copy of the renewal email would be accepted by a BAA bailiff.
Again my personal opinion, I cannot see an issue with a bailiff being accompanied by a well behaved dog (as long as their nose is kept out of my bait box !) After all there are many sections of BAA banks that are public dog walking routes - official or not.

Posted on January 9, 2020 at 4:08 PM

Brummymoorey

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Re: Bailiffs and their behaviour

Well, the last reply on the Facebook post says that the incident has now been dealt with by the BAA
Would be interesting to see what their outcome was, but doubt we will ever find out.
On a brighter note, a big thanks to those bailiffs who look after our waters, members and offer help whenever they can. There's plenty of them out there.

Posted on January 9, 2020 at 5:07 PM

Severnnovice

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Re: Bailiffs and their behaviour

and then there is the big guy who looks after uckinghall and local bits of the lower Severn. happy chappie he is .dont even get out of his 4x4

Posted on January 12, 2020 at 12:18 AM

ToneDef

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Re: Bailiffs and their behaviour

I've only seen one bailiff,last Summer at Uckinghall,nice chap,suffering with a bad back.

Posted on January 27, 2020 at 7:34 AM

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