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andy Total Posts: 7 Joined: July 12, 2016	enviro aggy says you cant move fish for more than 1 mile due to infections ect...how does that work when taking frozen baits from shops??...also what are the rules for dead baiting...b.a.a says no live baits...can we strike small 5" bleek ect as per instuction via eviro? or do we take frozen? bit of a conflict i see...either ways good for me......angling times this week...guy catches 15lb zander on dead bleek on the seven...where did he buy those?lol Tags: Posted on July 18, 2016 at 1:00 PM

baa_admin Total Posts: 194 Joined: December 16, 2014	Re: dead baiting at predator sections Andy, BAA Rules and Regs state; C.3 Removal of Fish Stocks No coarse fish shall be removed from Association waters. Members may retain caught fish (with the exception of carp) in a suitable keepnet or keepsack, provided they are returned alive to the water with as little injury as possible, on or before the completion of fishing. Members may remove game fish from Association waters subject to Environment Agency byelaws. C.4 Prohibited Equipment and Bait No member shall use on the Association's waters: (a) any double or treble hooks, except when fishing for pike, zander or spinning for game fish, (b) any gaff, (c) any luncheon or similar meat as bait on rivers during the coarse fish close season, except on Association pools which may be open for fishing. (d) any live fish as bait. (e) more than two rods at any time and that any rod used must be under the immediate physical control of the angler. NOTE: for the purpose of this Bye-Law the term rod shall be deemed to represent any instrument to which is attached line for the purpose of catching fish and includes poles and whips. (This Bye-Law does not affect BAA Contest Rules which state that only one rod may be used at any time during Association run contests.) In summary; - you can't remove and kill fish from BAA waters for use as dead baits. - you can't use live baits. The majority of anglers will therefore use frozen dead baits supplied by tackle shops, which we would expect come from fish farms which can guarantee the supply of disease free fish. Catching fish from another non BAA fishery and then using them as dead baits on one of our fisheries carry's the risk that disease can be spread into our fishery via this route, hence the EA limitation on moving fish that you mention in your post. It's all about responsible fishing. Posted on July 23, 2016 at 11:56 AM
KenL Total Posts: 280 Joined: December 27, 2015	Re: dead baiting at predator sections Just another example of idiotic rules from the BAA where club match anglers get to impose their will without thought to the consequences to the enjoyment of others. For instance, the quoted rules also mean that you can't spin for perch or chub on BAA waters. I have pointed this out in the past only to be told that that's not what the rules mean. Time to wake up boys. The club match scene has died and if you don't respond to changing times, so will the association. Posted on August 27, 2016 at 2:47 PM
NSarkar Total Posts: 15 Joined: July 3, 2015	Re: dead baiting at predator sections Well said KenL, couldn't agree more !!! Club has always been run by the match nods with no regard for other facets of angling especially predator anglers !!! A lot of the waters are in a terrible state but still they impose such archaic rules alienating a large portion of anglers !!!! Posted on August 27, 2016 at 3:14 PM
KenL Total Posts: 280 Joined: December 27, 2015	Re: dead baiting at predator sections I grew up fishing club matches and won more than a few before I spread my angling wings to include sea, fly and predator fishing, as well as exotic fishing in far off places. All of my approaches evolve over time and then they run into stupid rules. The BAA says that when I'm standing in the middle of the river, spinning for chub (with a modified spinner with a single hook obviously) I have to have a landing net. WHY?????? I can't put it down, it's a PITA to carry and it doesn't serve any purpose because the fish are either lifted by hand, unhooked and returned or simply unhooked in the water. Back when I used to use live baits more than I do now, I used a simple rule. I would never use a fish that would have brought a smile to my face on a gruelling winter's day. 90% of my livebaits were bleak or gudgeon and when they weren't available, they'd be roach or bream under 5oz. Now I have to use sea-baits or frozen coarse fish from companies who are raping the environment in other EU countries by using trawlers to catch them and then shipping them over here - with all of the inherent risks of disease that goes with such practices. STUPID, STUPID, STUPID! Posted on August 27, 2016 at 9:06 PM
NSarkar Total Posts: 15 Joined: July 3, 2015	Re: dead baiting at predator sections Again echo everything you say KenL. As someone who learnt his "trade on the rivers and had the priveledges of piking regularly with the late John Sidley all these stupid rules do my head in !!!!! The BAA has never encouraged or supported the predator angler. Meanwhile they are happy to see 100lb of barbel put in a keepnet !!!!!! Hypocrites OR idiots ???!!! Posted on August 27, 2016 at 11:47 PM
KenL Total Posts: 280 Joined: December 27, 2015	Re: dead baiting at predator sections Not to mention their total disregard for protection fish stocks. The following is from an e-mail exchange in May of this year: My contact e-mail... My father has been a BAA member for half a century and regularly fishes Trimpley Reservoir for the trout. He has recently been complaining rather bitterly about the number of anglers fishing the river in the closed season who are clearly not spinning or fly fishing for the native brownies. He describes them as "Poles" and they may or may not be - but either way, it sounds like you need to be bailifing the river more effectively. Ken The reply: Sir, It is not the responsibility of BAA to enforce the bye-laws relating to close seasons for fishing. This is the job of the Environment Agency, who make the rules and have a duty to enforce them. It is to the EA that your complaint should be directed. John Williams BAA Secretary Posted on August 28, 2016 at 10:29 AM
john_williams Total Posts: 183 Joined: February 13, 2015	Re: dead baiting at predator sections Sir, You may not like my response, however it is perfectly correct. Also, it in no way infers that BAA does not care. The BAA does not have the resources, nor does it have the responsibility, to enforce the EA Bye-Laws. This is an issue wholly the responsibility of the Environment Agency and it is to them that your Father should have directed his complaint. John Williams BAA Secretary Posted on August 30, 2016 at 9:40 AM
KenL Total Posts: 280 Joined: December 27, 2015	Re: dead baiting at predator sections A.6 No persons, other than members or those so authorised, shall be allowed on to Association property or to fish in Association waters. This is not a rule for the EA to enforce. While I don't doubt that resources are limited, if you are going to enforce any rules, this is a biggie - especially when the people involved are killing and removing pike. Pike are after all the second most frequently mentioned species in your "where to fish" guide after barbel, you know they are a draw for members and yet you won't protect them and you seem to be determined to make fishing for them as difficult and restricted as possible. Posted on August 30, 2016 at 10:26 PM

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