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stew83mul Total Posts: 663 Joined: May 30, 2015	Re: Dyofix blue I'm not sitting on the fence at all I'm just predicting what the reaction will be should the zander be removed.Personally I would rather there be a healthy stock of silvers than zander as I'm not a predator angler.From the comments in this post and what I've read previously the faulty pipe needs looking at and the best I can do is bring it up at the next committee meeting as something clearly needs to be done. Posted on April 11, 2017 at 9:16 PM
onelastcast Total Posts: 821 Joined: July 4, 2015	Re: Dyofix blue Thank you for the reply stu, but to be honest despite all the comments that have been made regarding this pipe in the past, I am frustrated by the lack of concern. As said if it was anywhere else where stock fish had any sort of £££ value. something would be done. You did say you were concerned the Zander Anglers might object it they were to be removed..( Zander not the Anglers), but I can't really see that is the real issue here, after the Zander have cleaned up they will starve anyway. Posted on April 12, 2017 at 9:26 AM
stew83mul Total Posts: 663 Joined: May 30, 2015	Re: Dyofix blue It's unlikely that the zander will eat everything and then starve as you are making out,and I'm unsure what exactly you are referring to as more expensive stocked fish?If you're referring to carp then what size fish would you say that a double figure zander would take?2-3 lb tops? Posted on April 12, 2017 at 1:21 PM
onelastcast Total Posts: 821 Joined: July 4, 2015	Re: Dyofix blue The Zander did not evolve in that small pond, and size of water available to any fish species and available prey is crucial to growth, a double figure Zander will soon decimate a fishery of that size, and without back up food they will die, as I said they should not be in there, they should be in the River. I believe BAA have a fishery officer, or at least some authority that you might ask, if the concerns of paying members is not suffice. Posted on April 12, 2017 at 1:48 PM
stew83mul Total Posts: 663 Joined: May 30, 2015	Re: Dyofix blue Well If you think it's not really an issue then maybe start a thread asking if zander should be removed or not?At the end of the day if there are members that enjoy going there to fish for zander then why should their enjoyment be affected because of your opinion?To be honest your outlook is quite selfish. Posted on April 12, 2017 at 2:06 PM
mixer Total Posts: 61 Joined: September 17, 2015	Re: Dyofix blue Stu--what a pathetic response to a real problem.The dead bait brigade I have met down Uckinghall are a small minority of the membership you are supposed to represent. They seem quite content to throw in a dead fish and sit there half asleep with a buzzer to wake them up. I doubt many of them have the skills(or the inclination) to pit their skills against bream,roach etc.Whether you like it or not given time the only roach left in the pool will be dead baits. I have posted about the problems at the pool for some years but only now others are waking up to them. The solution is relatively simple --fix the pipe--get rid of the zander and in time the pool will recover the native species that should be in there and provide the MAJORITY of members with a first class facility. Posted on April 12, 2017 at 2:34 PM
stew83mul Total Posts: 663 Joined: May 30, 2015	Re: Dyofix blue Pathetic response?Really?If you took the time to read back my previous comments instead of jumping at the first opportunity to criticise you will see that I personally would prefer it if the pool was full of roach instead of zander,I'm not a predator angler and all I'm pointing out is that there will be members that would be unhappy if the zander were removed,how is that pathetic? Posted on April 12, 2017 at 3:27 PM
onelastcast Total Posts: 821 Joined: July 4, 2015	Re: Dyofix blue Stu you do seem to be rather laid back about the whole thing, you are countering the problem by stating it wouldn't be fair to the Zander anglers, that I find a bit of a dig at those who have the best interests of the Pond. Can you honestly justify the Zander being there? It was only recently that Zander were persecuted by the BAA, so don't tell me you and the BAA are ignorant of the damage they can do, in this particular venue. Posted on April 12, 2017 at 3:59 PM
stew83mul Total Posts: 663 Joined: May 30, 2015	Re: Dyofix blue Right let's clear one thing up,I am simply making the point that some members would not be happy if the zander were removed,as paying members no matter how or what they fish for can't just be disregarded because you don't like there type of fishing.I've said previously that I will bring this subject up at the next exec meeting so apart from going down there and removing all the zander myself I'm not sure what else you expect me to do? Posted on April 12, 2017 at 4:07 PM
GlenI Total Posts: 99 Joined: January 16, 2016	Re: Dyofix blue Oh dear, I seem to have stirred up quite a lot of feeling here on Uckinghall, even though the original intent of my posting was just to draw out some info behind the BAA's reasons for using Dyofix. Anyway, for what its worth, to throw in some points, here are my views on zander, the overflow pipe and silver fish stocks/other fish stocks: - I am a keen zander angler and, like a few others, have enjoyed fishing for them with some success at Uckinghall, although interestingly on my last trip two weeks ago I landed two pike (no zander) both of which were not skinny but in excellent condition (photos available) - suggesting they are doing fine despite the zander competing for the silver fish. - the zander came in originally in 2007 in the major floods (not through the pipe - a big zander couldn't get up the pipe anyway as it is only partially open from my investigations.) when the water came way over the banks, and interestingly I have not seen any small zander caught on maggots/worms. This suggests there have not been a major invasion of new zander entering the lake via the sluice and that those that are in there haven't really spawned. Fixing the sluice is mainly about the annoyance of muddy water filling up the lake and making fishing difficult. - the lilies being there or not is probably more about food for all non-predatory fish but the stocks were fine before the lilies took over - there is plenty of food in there, just less fish than there used to be before 2007. The 15lb carp I caught last year was in excellent condition - again indicating the fish are healthy. I don't think the zander would bother the carp, tench or bream as they simply cannot swallow big fish - nobody seems to be talking about taking the pike out which are probably doing nicely on the odd bream. I have lost a very big pike twice here and I know what a big pike feels like. Every time I fish it in summer with baits intended for tench/carp I only get bream so there must be loads of them in there. - there has been a major influx of bleak in the last couple of years and they probably came in via the pipe, as we haven't had a major flood in that time. I think the zander have mostly been feeding on them. It could also be that the bleak shoals are eating all of the food which the rudd and roach used to eat, which might explain why there are less rudd/roach, Interestingly in the summer I have seen zander smash through the lilies at the surface fish as they hide right under the lilies - so ironically maybe the lilies are helping them hunt silver fish rather than offering a safe haven for silver fish. - I have tried some float fishing recently and not had a nibble, but think this is simply that the water is still pretty cold - time will tell, as we'll know more from say mid May when the water warms up properly - it takes more than two days of sun to warm up a lake. - I am the person mentioned who has been liaising and offering some ideas to the committee on how to sort the sluice. I have discussed this with John Williams and others on a few occasions. I am willing to help the working party fix the problem for minimal cost - no charge from me - I just want to help. I looked at this with some colleagues at work who are civil engineers who build dams etc and they were happy with my proposals. But John and the committee are nervous about the bank collapsing. I have a tremendous respect for the working parties and their views but on this one I disagree - and my colleagues are happy there is no increased risk, because if the bank was going to do that it would happen whenever the river comes up quickly and the pool is still low, but filling gradually. The difference in height can only be about 3m - less than 1/3rd of a bar - nothing really in civil engineering terms. I have made my arguments before but it was stated that their decision was final. But 'Stew83mul' if this really is going to be discussed again at the next committee meeting - and I think it does need to - then I think I should attend and put my points and proposals across again in person. Otherwise this will go round and round on this forum, with various members venting their spleen every time Uckinghall is mentioned. A couple of last pleas - don't take the zander out, as this would be a real shame, I am not a selfish angler and have a balanced view as I fish for all species - I do think it would be an over-reaction - there really aren't that many zander in there. And those that complain on here able the sluice, why not come to next committee member and put your points across rather than on here. Posted on April 14, 2017 at 12:47 PM
KenL Total Posts: 280 Joined: December 27, 2015	Re: Dyofix blue "Ken I wish you would read into comments and a few facts about what has actually been done before commenting". Well, I did search the announcements and news sections of the BAA site before posting but of course, there was no information available at all. Posted on April 14, 2017 at 4:41 PM
stew83mul Total Posts: 663 Joined: May 30, 2015	Re: Dyofix blue Some great points there Ken,the main one proving exactly what I have been trying to point out,that you as a member don't want the zander removed so just because others on here don't like fishing for them then why is their opinion on the matter more important than yours?Also talking about roach,they are notorious for disappearing from venues,rivers and stillwaters for years then appearing again for no apparent reason so maybe this is the case?As for coming to the next committee meeting Ken you would have to discuss this with the management as I would imagine you would have to be on the committee to be present at the meeting,but as has been posted in other forums we are always looking for more people on the committee. Posted on April 14, 2017 at 5:21 PM
KenL Total Posts: 280 Joined: December 27, 2015	Re: Dyofix blue " a double figure Zander will soon decimate a fishery of that size". What a load of utter tripe! Predators like pike and zander are cold blooded and typically eat about 5 times their own weight of fish per year. Of course, the silver fish present in the pool lay billions of eggs each year and there is a self regulating relationship between predators and prey that is dependent on the amount of food available in the form of plankton. The addition of zander may adversely affect the number of pike that the pool can sustain but it isn't likely to affect the overall predator prey balance. If you really want to pull the rug out from under the pool's ecology, all you have to do is destroy the foundation of the food chain - photosynthesis. No plant growth means no food for zooplankton, no zooplankton means no food for small fish or larger invertebrates and no food for small fish or larger invertebrates means no food for big fish. This is why I described the use of chemicals as "environmental vandalism". Posted on April 14, 2017 at 5:30 PM
stew83mul Total Posts: 663 Joined: May 30, 2015	Re: Dyofix blue Also about the weed etc,as I said earlier the intention is to just to get it under control not completely irradicate all the plant life in them. Posted on April 14, 2017 at 5:30 PM
KenL Total Posts: 280 Joined: December 27, 2015	Re: Dyofix blue So you want to reduce the amount of available food by what 30%? 50%? 70%? As opposed to removing it altogether. Dyofix Blue is primarily sold for algae prevention. Do you suppose that the zooplankton are eating algae or water lilies? Posted on April 14, 2017 at 6:23 PM
stew83mul Total Posts: 663 Joined: May 30, 2015	Re: Dyofix blue Again you haven't read previous comments,it's a trial and error exercise at the moment which is why such a small amount has been used.Due to the extent of the weed and lilly growth members have been complaining that half of the pools are completely unfishable,others like yourself are complaining that it should be left alone,the baa have tried to meet in the middle and still there's people complaining! Posted on April 14, 2017 at 7:31 PM
stew83mul Total Posts: 663 Joined: May 30, 2015	Re: Dyofix blue You say reduce food...food for what? Posted on April 14, 2017 at 7:33 PM
stew83mul Total Posts: 663 Joined: May 30, 2015	Re: Dyofix blue Sorry didn't notice your previous comment,to be honest the food that anglers put into the pools would surely ensure fish of all sizes would never starve to death as you are making out? Posted on April 14, 2017 at 7:35 PM
onelastcast Total Posts: 821 Joined: July 4, 2015	Re: Dyofix blue Stu do BAA take advice on such matters from anyone who has any sort of knowledge of fishery management, or are such matters decided by the committee ? Ken, I very much doubt the Zander consumes as little as you suggest, I know you have a vested interest in preds, perhaps that might have swayed your guess? Anyway they are really a River fish, and do better in such, also non native species, Much prefer a nice English Roach. Posted on April 14, 2017 at 9:39 PM
onelastcast Total Posts: 821 Joined: July 4, 2015	Re: Dyofix blue Stu do BAA take advice on such matters from anyone who has any sort of knowledge of fishery management, or are such matters decided by the committee ? Ken, I very much doubt the Zander consumes as little as you suggest, I know you have a vested interest in preds, perhaps that might have swayed your guess? Anyway they are really a River fish, and do better in such, also non native species, Much prefer a nice English Roach. Posted on April 14, 2017 at 9:40 PM