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ian_barbuspike Total Posts: 72 Joined: September 6, 2016	I notice the baa rules state no carp in keepnets what about the barbel an pike as well ? who don't take kindly to keepnets can we have these added also ? once saw a pike at bracebridge pool Sutton park 20 plus kept in keepnet when taken out its flanks were red raw with stress prob turned up dead after . personally even if I were to pleasure fish for bream for instance I catch fish log weight in note book at end off session I no exactly how many fish iv caught an exact weight off catch . as most no the barbels fins do not take gladly to keepnets would like to hear members opions on this subject ? Tags: Posted on November 22, 2016 at 10:49 PM

Johnny_Care Total Posts: 407 Joined: June 10, 2015	Re: no barbel or pike in keepnets I agree 100%...except in matches, where it's unavoidable...also, it's advisable for the same anglers, in fact any specimen anglers, to use unhooking mats. Posted on November 22, 2016 at 10:54 PM
ian_barbuspike Total Posts: 72 Joined: September 6, 2016	Re: no barbel or pike in keepnets good comment on the unhooking mats too as rule for barbel an pike. so why just carp as rule ? not in keepnets all large specimen fish ie barbel an pike there is no difference surely ? lets see it made rule for all these fish not to be put in keepnets except matches as john states if very large fish caught in match could be weighed individually put back an logged don't see problem with that common sense prevails I hope . incidently what is the procedure for rule changes I take it a member puts rule change forward , is it then down to the baa commitee to vote or up to the members to vote ? were is this procedure on baa website ? Posted on November 23, 2016 at 8:04 AM
Johnny_Care Total Posts: 407 Joined: June 10, 2015	Re: no barbel or pike in keepnets I fish matches myself, it's not really possible to be honest to weigh fish and return them whilst a match is running, it means the match has to be stopped, and someone has to be available for weighing them. Big fish rarely get caught anyway, most match anglers target silvers (apart from the mid severn). I suspect the no carp in nets rule has stemmed from other commercial type fisheries, which allow keepnets only in matches. A 'handling code' like what the Barbel Society have would a good idea, although I'm not sure whether it would be followed. Some of the lunatics that post pics up on here can't read scales properly, so reading a handling code might just be a bit too much for them. Not that I'm cynical, of course. John Posted on November 23, 2016 at 9:05 AM
ian_barbuspike Total Posts: 72 Joined: September 6, 2016	Re: no barbel or pike in keepnets point taken john on matches but I think addional rule or amendment of no carp in keepnets to extend to no carp barbel or pike in keepnets for pleasure fishing also the use off unhooking mats as well an min break strain off line used for pike fishing as a crack off with pair trebles in most cases is a dead pike un able to swallow its food . Posted on November 23, 2016 at 5:09 PM
glawsteruk Total Posts: 85 Joined: July 12, 2015	Re: no barbel or pike in keepnets For starters I think a keep net ban on barbel and pike (excluding matches) would be reasonable. I quite often unhook fish in my landing net without any problems so for me that would be a little heavy-handed. Posted on November 24, 2016 at 6:37 PM
KenL Total Posts: 280 Joined: December 27, 2015	Re: no barbel or pike in keepnets As an angler who spends a lot of time chasing predators, is well aware of the fragility of pike and barbel and who doesn't even own a keepnet, I have to say that the last thing we need is more rules. The BAA's rules are largely either redundant (they are simply repetition of national laws like the ban on using gaffs) or are the result of one group of anglers imposing their values on others, often to the detriment of someone's enjoyment of the sport. Posted on November 24, 2016 at 10:39 PM
ian_barbuspike Total Posts: 72 Joined: September 6, 2016	Re: no barbel or pike in keepnets the only detriment is to the poor barbel or pike placed in a keepnet . im not suggesting ruining someone elses enjoyment ??????? but large specimen fish deserve respect an must be preserved for someone elses enjoyment to catch at a later date hopefully in the same fit an healthy condition in which they were caught , maybe at a larger weight . its magical catching a fin an scale perfect specimen maybe a quick photo is all that's needed then returned. I appreciate some anglers don't own or use a keepnet my self included not used one for over 25 years ; but unfortunately there are anglers who don't use common sence , partically in hot weather seen many large bream catches flanks red rore with stress to many in net hot weather ,next day bream belly up around lake we all seen it , pike the same red stress marks on flanks . the rules are to protect the fishes welfare from the anglers who don't apply commonsense in pleasure fishing . hope this helps Posted on November 25, 2016 at 8:51 PM
DavidH Total Posts: 245 Joined: August 23, 2015	Re: no barbel or pike in keepnets Ian you say you haven't used a net for 25 years? Mate take a look at some modern day match nets brought about by the carp revolution they are as fish friendly as you will get. There is a legal standard for nets now. You guys and myself on occasion if fishing for large barbel have no real need for a net. Only reason would be to hold it up for a short time for a photo or to ensure its safe to return. I wouldn't dream of holding any specimen fish longer than needed. I fished fladbury last year had a days pole fishing for silvers. I hooked and landed a 3lb barbel fin perfect cracking little fish, but I was set up for silvers took me 20 minuets to land it and it was shattered. Rule or no rule mate no way that fish was going straight back in safest place for that fish was in the margin in my net where I could keep an eye on it. Needless to say it was carefully returned at the end of the session still fin scale perfect. Common sense is the key mate and those with none wont give a s--t what your rule says unfortunately they cant even be bothered to take litter home never mind anything else. Plus who would police your new rule??? And what crazy fool puts pike an a £50 keep net to torture other fish or bite a great big hole in it?? only an idiot!!! Posted on November 25, 2016 at 10:24 PM
Yorkie Total Posts: 53 Joined: September 1, 2016	Re: no barbel or pike in keepnets Commonsense is the best way forward, but as someone once said, common sense isn't that common anymore... Barbel have no problem in keepnets providing the net is laid parallel to the flow so that the fish can align itself to the flow - they will sit there apparently perfectly content until released at the end of the session and are quieter than most other species. However if the net can only be placed in slack water, especially in warm weather then you are asking for trouble and best not to use one for barbel. I tend not to use one for barbel anyway since I only fish short sessions and you are hardly expecting a bag of barbel these days, one or two fish is the rule - if you are lucky! In contrast to some species, returning barbel to your swim doesn't seem to affect the catch rate. I think that there is less of a problem with barbel in keepnets as such, than with keeping the fish out of the water for long periods especially in warm weather. The other week I saw an angler hook and play a barbel, clamber down the bank to net it, scramble back up again to waiting scales and unhooking mat and camera. As he was dealing with the fish some walkers came along the bank and wanted a look - in all the fish must have been out of the water for perhaps 4-5 minutes. I would say that this is a bigger potential problem than use of a keepnet. Fortunately it was cool weather and the fish was released without apparent problem. I watched a match weigh-in a few years ago when barbel were smaller and more numerous and one angler had two weighs. The first batch went back OK, the second batch that had been out of the water for a few minutes took much longer to come round. So I think whether or not you use a keepnet, golden rule is handle the fish as little as possible and get it back in the river. Posted on November 25, 2016 at 11:44 PM
Yorkie Total Posts: 53 Joined: September 1, 2016	Re: no barbel or pike in keepnets Commonsense is the best way forward, but as someone once said, common sense isn't that common anymore... Barbel have no problem in keepnets providing the net is laid parallel to the flow so that the fish can align itself to the flow - they will sit there apparently perfectly content until released at the end of the session and are quieter than most other species. However if the net can only be placed in slack water, especially in warm weather then you are asking for trouble and best not to use one for barbel. I tend not to use one for barbel anyway since I only fish short sessions and you are hardly expecting a bag of barbel these days, one or two fish is the rule - if you are lucky! In contrast to some species, returning barbel to your swim doesn't seem to affect the catch rate. I think that there is less of a problem with barbel in keepnets as such, than with keeping the fish out of the water for long periods especially in warm weather. The other week I saw an angler hook and play a barbel, clamber down the bank to net it, scramble back up again to waiting scales and unhooking mat and camera. As he was dealing with the fish some walkers came along the bank and wanted a look - in all the fish must have been out of the water for perhaps 4-5 minutes. I would say that this is a bigger potential problem than use of a keepnet. Fortunately it was cool weather and the fish was released without apparent problem. I watched a match weigh-in a few years ago when barbel were smaller and more numerous and one angler had two weighs. The first batch went back OK, the second batch that had been out of the water for a few minutes took much longer to come round. So I think whether or not you use a keepnet, golden rule is handle the fish as little as possible and get it back in the river. Posted on November 25, 2016 at 11:44 PM
Robaylen Total Posts: 17 Joined: February 14, 2016	Re: no barbel or pike in keepnets As previously mentioned I thinks it's just common sense that needs to be applied. If a ban were to be placed on pike and barbel in keepnets however it might be good to also state that resting specimen fish of any description in an appropriate sack or tube is encoraged. On the subject of bans i'd love the BAA'S to consider changing the rules on live baiting for pike and perch, but that's a whole new topic and can of worms in itself.... Posted on November 26, 2016 at 12:22 AM
Robaylen Total Posts: 17 Joined: February 14, 2016	Re: no barbel or pike in keepnets As previously mentioned I thinks it's just common sense that needs to be applied. If a ban were to be placed on pike and barbel in keepnets however it might be good to also state that resting specimen fish of any description in an appropriate sack or tube is encoraged. On the subject of bans i'd love the BAA'S to consider changing the rules on live baiting for pike and perch, but that's a whole new topic and can of worms in itself.... Posted on November 26, 2016 at 12:23 AM
KenL Total Posts: 280 Joined: December 27, 2015	Re: no barbel or pike in keepnets "the only detriment is to the poor barbel or pike placed in a keepnet". If it's choice between an idiot putting an accidentally caught pike in a keepnet and maybe relenting on his instinct to "throw it up the bank" or just acting on instinct, I'd rather see the fish in a keepnet. As has already been pointed out, there are times when it's appropriate to let barbel recover in a keepnet. Also, what happens when junior catches a biggie and mom has to be sent off to get the camera? Would we rather see fish in a keepnet or in a landing net in the warn shallows? How about left with a hook in it for 20 minutes? All of these re scenarios that we all know should never happen. We all know that they will. Posted on November 27, 2016 at 6:58 PM
Robhol1 Total Posts: 198 Joined: May 7, 2016	Re: no barbel or pike in keepnets Well done Ian on highlighting this issue because it's refreshing to see other angler's making sensible comments for us to put into our fishing if we don't already.Now we have to sort out the night shift litter louts Posted on November 28, 2016 at 9:45 PM
ian_barbuspike Total Posts: 72 Joined: September 6, 2016	Re: no barbel or pike in keepnets this can be debated for ever an a day but the fact is there is a rule banning carp from keepnets why why why ?????? just carp !! perhaps im biased as never fished for them if the rule is already there im not suggesting making a rule just adding to an exsisting rule why are carp protected but not barbel an pike please someone tell me ??? hope this helps Posted on November 29, 2016 at 6:00 PM
KenL Total Posts: 280 Joined: December 27, 2015	Re: no barbel or pike in keepnets "why are carp protected but not barbel an pike please someone tell me ???" Because carp are valuable pets but barbel and pike are wild fish that nobody owns. Posted on December 3, 2016 at 6:22 PM
onelastcast Total Posts: 821 Joined: July 4, 2015	Re: no barbel or pike in keepnets Three years ago. Refreshing views on the subject, even more reason for consideration in 2019. Posted on August 23, 2019 at 8:41 AM

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