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I can appreciate that most of the BAA members check to see what venues are booked for matches especially at weekends and to be honest, even after the list of bookings are there for all to see there are still loads of water to go and pleasure fish. These days it takes less than 30 seconds to check on your phone what waters are booked for matches. I'm in two clubs which use BAA venues for club matches and almost every time we go to peg a match out, especially on rivers, we are having to remove anglers who can't be arsed to check the website. Obviously they're not happy to be told there's a match on, but it's their own fault. At our match at Grimley today, we removed one angler before the match and another three while the match was in progress. meaning that a member who is also a bailiff had to stop fishing, get out of his peg and advise them the venue is booked for a match. So if people can't be bothered to check the bookings expect to be moved on if there's a match on the venue.
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Posted on August 13, 2023 at 7:18 PM
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Re: Waters booked for matches.
Hi Ollie
Gripe appreciated, I always check days before planning a day out and it annoys me when I turn up after a match to find that others fishing there had known nothing about it.
There is a problem with some of the river venues though especially Grimley and Apley. The waters booked list never says which meadows are booked. There are 5 meadows at Grimley for example and its unlikely that all of them would be booked, leaving some of them available for us individuals.
I turned up at the lower meadow at Apley late one afternoon only to find out that the contest had been on the upper meadow and the lower meadow had been available for me to fish all day.
What are your thoughts Admin?
Posted on August 15, 2023 at 8:18 AM
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Re: Waters booked for matches.
Hello stew1955
In response to your comments regarding my views on waters booked for matches, may I elaborate on a few points not mentioned in my original post. Firstly, as you may be aware of is that when a club books a match, whether it's a free ( affiliated ) or a paid match, that club has that venue totally for the day showing the date on the permit. Whatever sections, meadows or fields are on that permit are for that clubs for the day, it doesn't matter if there are five or twenty five anglers on the match. They may not need all the meadows or pegs for the match, but that doesn't mean that entitles pleasure anglers to jump in a couple of spare pegs in between or on the end on the match, which has happened many times. On river venues these days it can be difficult to determine where one meadow finishes and the next one starts. A lot of the old BAA signs used to have them numbered, the newer ones don't. That is the case with the the two venues you mentioned, Apley and Grimley and there are many more. While on the subject of Grimley, out of the three anglers together that were stopped when they were going to fish in the middle of the match, all three were Eastern Europeans with just one having a BAA licence and were carrying minimal tackle. Please feel free to reply to any part of this post you may not feel is explained correctly.
Posted on August 17, 2023 at 8:37 PM
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Re: Waters booked for matches.
Whole stretches are not blanket booked if you only have a 10 peg match . If you look at the waters unavailable list you will see specific areas are listed . Also you will notice specific meadow numbers are listed . These numbers are shown on the maps as meadows / areas . Anglers are well within their rights to fish waters outside the specified booking . Also logging in to this site is a nightmare at the best of times and puts a lot of people off even trying to read the available waters page . Also believe it or not not all people use the internet or want to .
I think you you need to adjust a bit more open mindedness and accept that you only get the specifics meadows you book and not the whole bloody stretch .
Posted on August 18, 2023 at 4:28 AM
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For example booking Birmingham to Worcester canal bridge 25-26 does not mean the whole of the beam to worcs canal ….
Another …nordkey 4 .. pool 4 not the whole fishery …. Arley 4,5,6 .. not 1,2,3 …
That’s how it reads .. that’s how it is
Posted on August 18, 2023 at 4:40 AM
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All you’ve done is go on some inane rant demanding that you get priority over every other member abd can shut down (for example ) 6 meadows of a stretch when you probably have a 5 peg match in half a meadow . Basically yiur demandibg tge club revolves around your little matches and we cannot fish any where near .
Maybe more clarity is needed and more definitive rules that suit you eh ???
Posted on August 18, 2023 at 4:45 AM
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Re: Waters booked for matches.
Hi Bazpeck,
I have been reading the replies to Ollie’s post with interest particularly as the b.a.a. d’anglers AC have a contest at Ladyham on the 16th September.
If you look at page 89 of the BAA Guide to Waters 2023, it is titled CONTEST PERMITS.
In the first paragraph it does clearly state the following: -
Clubs with contests booked in B.A.A waters have the exclusive use of the water reserved for them for the whole of the day.
No other member has the right to fish on that day between pegs, or prior to the contest without the consent of the club concerned.
Where the numbers of members fishing any particular contest are LESS than anticipated, contest organisers are asked to give consideration to allowing other members to use ‘unpegged’ stretches of water.
The Angling Club Secretary will be in possession of the Contest Permit, on it will be stated what water they have been allocated for the contest on that day, for the b.a.a. d’anglers AC at Ladyham on the 16th September it is for the WHOLE Stretch.
I hope this helps to clarify things.
Keep on Fishing…
Posted on August 18, 2023 at 7:44 AM
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Re: Waters booked for matches.
If I need to fish a stretch that is match booked, I just fish it after the weigh in....when the fish really feed
Posted on August 18, 2023 at 9:37 AM
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Re: Waters booked for matches.
Hi Ollie
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear
I think that you were over polite in your opening sentence to this post. Its more likely that MOST BAA members DON'T bother to check to see if water is booked for a match. I talk to a lot of anglers (total strangers) who say that they never look at this web site. I met a chap last week who new nothing about any of the recent fish kills at Barford/Wasperton etc , and he was from Solihull, a stones throw from the most recent Knowle Locks incident, mentioned several times on this website by me in particular.
Having to kick people off a booked venue has been going on well before I started match fishing as a teenager in the early 70's when the B'ham Mail was the only source of info that we had to find out which BAA waters were booked that weekend.
I am also aware that Stewart (the Bailiff) would have been totally p**d off that his fishing was spoiled by those chancers that turned up, and with good reason, none BAA website readers or not, they were out of order. But do they care?
I have no gripe with anything that you have said so far Ollie.
I merely mentioned that Grimley in particular is a very large venue, getting on for 2 miles long, which seems a lot of water for a small club to take over for a day. The BAA wouldn't allow someone to book Swindon to Gothersley on the Staffs Worcester canal just so that they could have Hinksford to themselves, or would they?
The reason for my own earlier post was to ask BAA ADMIN if there was any chance that such venues can be split up into individual meadows to be booked in future, rather than the whole venue, similar to other venues (Fladbury/Arley etc) that Bazpek has already mentioned.
For example: Grimley (above car park) being meadows 3 to 4; Grimley (below car park) being meadows 5 to 7.
The odds are though that no match ever takes place on Grimley 7, which is a long walk down stream from the Grimley car park and best approached from the Retreat Farm end.
I notice that Grimley and Retreat Farm are both booked for matches on the same day a couple of times in the next few weeks, which puts paid to any ideas of a Barbel Specimen Hunter getting a look in on Grimley 7 on those days, unless of course they fish after the matches have finished.
That seems so daft when there is such a simple solution
Posted on August 18, 2023 at 4:32 PM
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Re: Waters booked for matches.
Bazpeck, where in my post was I demanding and ranting about issues, I think your post was exactly a rant. You are contradicting yourself and confusing the issue with your comments. Other posts giving opinions on the subject are sensible and informative, Reg even gave us rules regarding club match bookings and in the past Onelastcast has waited until our match has finished before picking his swim, he didn't come asking if he could fish an empty peg or to go on the end of the match while we were still fishing. On the subject of booking whole stretches, permits are given on the number of members who are in the club and could you tell me a river venue where you could put every single peg in on the match. Pegs are left out for a whole number of reasons, safely getting down the bank to the peg, is the standing big enough to take a box, trees or bushes closing in on the peg, too shallow to put your keepnet out and a host of other reasons. And I'll remind you that you can't always tell where a section / meadow starts and finishes, just because the field is separated by a hedge or fence does not always mean that's the boundary of say 1 and 2 in the middle of a field. It's plainly obvious to me that you just don't like match fishermen, but if you want to continue your discussions with our members on our next BAA match feel free to come to our next match, I'll give you the dates if you like.
See ya.
Posted on August 18, 2023 at 8:43 PM
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Re: Waters booked for matches.
I don’t hate match anglers … I was one for many years. What I hate is the way you came across .
Posted on August 23, 2023 at 3:52 PM
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When it’s probably 1 in 2 matches that you have to move people off pegs and have them trying to jump in the middle of the pegs that your club has booked and paid for,year after year it’s the same,despite posts on here and on Facebook reminding people to check for matches,it starts to get a little frustrating.Especially when it takes 30 seconds to check the website,failing that a quick call to the office will tell you what’s booked.Even with a busy weekend there’s always plenty of places left for pleasure anglers to choose from and also don’t forget the last weekend of every month is left free for pleasure anglers.It’s really simple I don’t understand what the problem is.
Posted on August 23, 2023 at 8:19 PM
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Re: Waters booked for matches.
Hi Stew
When we use our numerous devices to view this web site's HOME PAGE, the window to the right of "PICUTURES OF THE WEEK" entitled "WELCOME TO THE BIRMINGHAM ANGLERS ASSOCIATION" where announcements are added, could permanently include "WATERS BOOKED FOR MATCHES TODAY" making it easier for all of us to catch up with what waters are available that day without having to click on a separate link which is not easy on some devices.
Just an idea that I hope you will pass on, but that way the "waters booked" info would hit you in the face as soon as the website (eventually) opens for you.
Its an idea for the new website at least if not convenient on this format.
KOF. Stew
Posted on August 24, 2023 at 6:26 PM
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Yea Stew I agree it would definitely be a good idea to have the match bookings more obvious on the homepage of the website,a new website is currently in the pipeline so it should get rid of the technical issues we have accessing it.I honestly don’t think it will solve the issue of people trying to fish booked venues though because the first thing I ask the dozens I’ve had to ask to leave over the years is”did you check the website for the match bookings?”….every time the answer is no.
Posted on August 25, 2023 at 11:36 PM
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The whole site needs modernising . I know it’s in the pipeline but honestly some times I’ve logged in to check something and it’s taken me literally minutes and several attempts. 9 times out of 10 I just think balls to it and give up .
Now in respect of ge match lads abd booked waters it’s the simple issue of not being able to get on here to check that can leads to people fishing booked waters , my point is if you get the simple things right then it prevents further problems
Posted on August 27, 2023 at 4:51 PM
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I also can’t see what I’m
typing on the iPhone screen so must write like a drunken navvy half the time
Posted on August 27, 2023 at 4:53 PM
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So why did we get these problems before the website was playing up then?We and many other clubs have done for years.Also every single time I’ve asked them if they’ve checked the match bookings the answer has been no.
Posted on August 28, 2023 at 8:26 PM
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Re: Waters booked for matches.
stew83mul is correct, even way back before websites etc were created and the bookings were printed in the local papers the problems mentioned were still the same then.
Posted on August 30, 2023 at 3:11 PM
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The real inconvience is with the daft angler that has just settled in to a peg, fed a gallon of hemp and maggots and someone rattles up and tells him to do one.
Perhaps we should resort to pre computers and put a ruddy big sign up, in multi languages obviously.
Posted on August 31, 2023 at 7:19 PM
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