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Hi all.
Although myself and my wife have been members of BAA for a number of years now, this will be my first post 
We have been fishing the BAA stretches of the River Severn now for many years and apart from having to clear almost every swim of rubbish and night fishing detritus before fishing, we have enjoyed every session whether we caught or not.
We do generally go the full distance right up until dusk and always leave the bank while we can still see our rod tips. Nevertheless, on returning to the car after most sessions, without fail we see a plethora of starlights and isotopes with anglers looking like they are absolutely geared up for the night. I am by the way talking about stretches where night fishing is definitely not allowed.
Could someone please give me a definitive answer to this one as everybody seems to be singing from different hymn books. If it really is a "dusk" thing does this also mean that we have to leave the bank in the winter just as the schools are letting out. Please, what are the actual rules on this one ?
On a final note I do feel that we should do our best as a club to relax the night fishing rules (where landowners agree) to club members on the proviso that everyone makes the effort to ensure that everyone fishing on the night are club members, therefore hopefully reducing the poaching and rubbish problem. If not, does anyone else feel that for an actual paid up club member £10 a night is a bit excessive and why not consider a reduced cost to fish until midnight, for old codgers like me and the wife who can't really keep their eyes open much past midnight.
Sorry to rant a bit but myself and my wife are getting really frustrated leaving the bank at the witching hour just as everyone else is turning up. By the way we have found that Quatford is the worst location for this.
Kind regards and tight lines to all rule abiding members.
Pete and Gay (the wife).
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Posted on October 13, 2015 at 11:03 AM
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Re: What actually are the rules ?
An hour after sunset.....I usually make a note of when sunset actually is, so I know when I'm allowed to fish to, but there are many who seem to take no notice of that rule at all, the worst that will happen is that they'll be asked to leave by a bailiff anyway.
Quatford you say? - Try Severn Stoke, that's another venue where folk take little notice of the rule, three times this season, anglers have turned up as im loading gear into the car...
Posted on October 13, 2015 at 12:05 PM
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Re: What actually are the rules ?
Hi Pete,
Defo 1 hour after sunset, so yes you would have to leave in the winter months before you arrived. lol... I would love it if the association could find it in their hearts to reduce the price of night tickets, but to be frank, they make a lot of money from those who 'actually' buy them, me and my buddy have spent over £200 in night tickets alone this year. Which sickens me to think people are fishing through the night without them. And trust me, we have seen them and as you say, at venues where night fishing is not allowed. Holt Fleet had 5 of them earlier on in the season. We passed them as we were leaving and they asked us why we were going, we explained the rules and they just laughed with a comment of "well nobody bothers here, coz the bailiff never comes down after dark", I remember when the guy in the cottage ruled the water with an iron fist, no parking near the lock and he used to come down and tell you when it was time to pack up. I guess he got sick of the abuse and threats, and your right about the rubbish, we were down for a night session at Brook Section last weekend and we took a bin bag of the stuff (not ours) back to the van. I so wish people would learn respect for the things they clearly take for granted, most of the waters are set in beautiful surroundings with cracking wildlife, but (hopefully) the minority are set on ruining it for the rest of us. All I can say, is I'm glad I don't live with them, there must be bottles and crisp packets all over their living rooms.....
Posted on October 13, 2015 at 4:17 PM
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Re: What actually are the rules ?
Litter yet again GRRRRRR!!! Some good points to raise at the AGM guys hope you are going. I for one would like to see a number of bailiffs paid to bailiff the waters. Ive not got a clue about what intensives they get at the min if any. Mr Williams do they make a note of membership names and numbers dates times and report these back to the BAA. Repeat poachers evictions prosecutions etc what exactly happens? Thanks for the post peewee dont make it your last mate keep them coming!!!!!
Posted on October 13, 2015 at 5:44 PM
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Re: What actually are the rules ?
I reckon a 11 or 12 curfew in summer time then 8pm when the clocks change (on waters that they could) would appease most anglers desire. I think that would be a suitable compromise but unfortunately, the BAA don't want to engage in this discussion despite it being a major talking point from their customers.
Posted on October 15, 2015 at 10:23 PM
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Re: What actually are the rules ?
I doubt many landowners would want "strangers" on the property at 11 or 12 at night. Maybe 8 or 9 all year would work as they would know, after the agreed time all venues except those with agreed night fishing would be vacated. Would also mean its more straight forward to bailiff, gone agreed time still fishing, poaching, no excuses about what time 1 hour after sunset is.
Posted on October 16, 2015 at 9:48 AM
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Re: What actually are the rules ?
Landowners - well at least ask the question. If they say no then fair enough but to assume that answer without asking is a disservice to all involved. There's no consistency anyway. You have Fladbury for example, that allows night fishing despite it being next to homes yet venues that are isolated don't allow it. I also believe there's a difference in night fishing and staying on for a couple of hours into dark. As for the 8pm all year suggestion. Well, in summer time you can stay much later than that under the current rules.
Most people fishing the rivers these days are doing so with barbel in mind. To catch them during the day in the current clear conditions is difficult. Ever wondered why the match weights on the Avon are a few pounds of silver fish? The chances of catching anything of size in the day in clear conditions is remote. Fish the same stretch in the evening and you could catch 20-30lb easily. People want to catch fish, that's why they join. People are not going to pay £10 to fish till 11pm, which for most would satisfy the above. Fishing habits have changed in the last decade. Specialist fishing has grown while club matches have declined. Most organisations tailor their service to match their customers demand. There are a growing number of syndicates that are tailoring what they offer and picking up stretches of river, some of which are ex-BAA. I'm a member of a group that allow night fishing. There's never a spec of rubbish left nor are there any problems so it doesn't have to be an issue.
As for the night fishing = litter myth. It is rubbish. Do daytime anglers not take refreshments to the bank? Do al daytime anglers take litter home? Is the need for a poo only reserved to anglers fishing in the dead of night? Anglers that are disrespectful act that way regardless of what time it is. I have visited plenty of areas where litter has been left by match anglers, day time anglers, etc. Idiots are idiots regardless of what time of day it is.
Posted on October 17, 2015 at 5:34 PM
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Re: What actually are the rules ?
Brilliant post Lee, spot on mate. I've brought this up on some of the Facebook forums before, saying that barbel anglers are a huge chunk of the membership. Club matches on rivers now are very few indeed, back in 80's and early 90's prior to tame carp holes, most of the top river venues would be booked week in, week out. Not any more. You can fish some stretches now and not see anyone else all day.
I do feel the the BAA still thinks it's 1985 sometimes, but that said £40 is still a fantastic bargain, it's a shame the BAA committee don't take a step back and look at the bigger picture.
Posted on October 17, 2015 at 10:00 PM
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Joined: June 20, 2015
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Re: What actually are the rules ?
Great posts guys, just wondering if the committee members actually read these posts and act on any of them.
Posted on October 18, 2015 at 12:22 PM
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Re: What actually are the rules ?
Hi guys. Some great comments there. It would also be a bonus if we got something constructive and forward thinking from one or more committee members, maybe regarding/including ;
1. An odd extra 2 person peg created for couples who like to fish together, particularly for couples who both can't swim (the wife);
2. One or two "paid" bailiffs, paid for with the night fishing permit monies, even if only part time ;
3. A midnight permit at a reduced cost (say £5) ;
4. A membership referendum on whether night fishing permits should be abolished and the cost of yearly membership increased accordingly if the bank balance is really the issue (or would this be too democratic for the club to consider ?).
On a final note, we drove over Holt Fleet bridge late last night and it reminded me of my younger days in Blackpool !! Think I might take a leaf out of Lee's book and look for a syndicate that allows night fishing as being an old codger, my poultry pension will definitely not stretch to BAA night permit prices.
Take care guys and happy fishing.
Posted on October 19, 2015 at 2:00 PM
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