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I have really got under you skin mate, so be it!
If in the start of the discussion you had just given simple yes, A risk of a £200 fine for a days fishing is nuts, or no I think the risk of a £200 fine would be OK for a days fishing, then we would not have reached the point where you are throwing your toys out of your pram.
Back to your last post!
They actually said they were there on business, which the copper did not believe..
Leaving your residence without good reason obviously comes under the umbrella rule of not staying local.
I asked Stevie Wonder and even he could see it. LOL.
As your quoted lawyer correctly states ''it is not a criminal offence''.
We can't argue with his statement as he should know his job.
So on that I agree with what you say.
I have looked through all of my posts and I am unable to find where I said it was a criminal offence, others may have done, I have not.
I am sure you will check this and if I am wrong I hereby retract such a statement.
But what you seem to miss fishychris is, it does not have to be a criminal offence to receive a fine for any minor offence.
Speeding, dropping litter plus loads of other things can, if the copper, not the lawyer, see fit issue a fine and they are not classed as criminal offences.
This is an edit I have added;-
As far as I am aware, no fixed penalty fine results in a criminal record, (I am sure fishychris will put me in my place if I am wrong) then we will all know!
It may turn into a criminal offence if you don't pay the fine and you are taken to court.
The outcome of a lot of minor offences depends a lot on what happens between the officer and the offender on any particular day.
If an offender accepts they are wrong under the Covid rules, then the outcome may be good and they are sent home or if they get ''lippy'' and upset the officer they are more likely to get a fine.
Who knows?
Chickened out on giving all of us a genuine fishychris guarantee then.
Seems I will have to wait until the rules allow me to travel outside my local area.
I am just not prepared to risk a £200 fine for a days fishing.
Actually I would not be surprised that if under the four Covid rules for exercise, a copper could, if they were really ''bloody minded'', issue four fines, one for each offence which would total £800 each person.
I would however be shocked if this were to happen.
There will always be rule breakers/benders and that is their choice, if any of you are one of these and willing to risk your dosh, so-be-it - your absolutely 100% guaranteed NUTS, NUTS AND MORE NUTS.
Personally I would rather buy a new rod or reel with the money and not risk giving it to the government coffers.
Bye Bye
See ya on the bank guys.
Posted on March 19, 2021 at 7:25 AM
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If anyone watched Crimewatch Live yesterday (Tues 16/03/21) they would have seen a car, which had travelled from London, stopped by the police in the Brecon Beacons with four occupants, not related and fined, not for crossing a border, not for lacking to social distance, not for breaking gathering rules or any time limiting rules.
They were fined, surprise, surprise but for travelling too far from home without a reasonable excuse.
Now you can ask, were they fishing?
The answer is no, but it is a virtual guarantee they would still have been fined for they same offence of being not local (too far from home).
So there is a risk to being fined by some police forces if you travel too far, I suppose it depends how they feel on the day and maybe the chief constables policy on lockdown.
They have two choices one is to send you back home after taking your details and two, to issue a fine.
Fishing as we all know is classed under the rules as exercise. as long as it is taken locally, alongside the other relevant rules.
Once an angler passes the distance of the nearest fishery to them (it does not have to be in the same direction), they would have some explaining to do if they were stopped.
It should be obvious to any right thinking person, that by travelling further than your nearest venues you are breaking the rules and liable to be fined £200, which is more than a weeks wages or pension for some people.
It's the same as your local pub or newsagents, it is always the nearest one to your home.
It may not be the one you prefer but it is still your local.
My nearest local place I can fish is a canal about two miles away.
I do fish canals, but not on my own because I think it is too risky with the yobos who sometime frequent the towpaths.
If I went a bit further (I would risk it up to about ten miles), I could give this as a legitimate reason for for travelling further than my nearest venue and hope the police accept it as a valid reason, which they should as it is in the rules concerning safety.
fishychis,
As you know your offer to BAA members is worthless because fishing will never be mentioned on any fine incurred.
Only the headline offence!
Just offer, in writing, a straight £200 and pay the fine and because you are so adamant you are correct - you are at no-risk whatsoever of of being short any money.
If you make it as a straight written £200 offer, I will go fishing where I like and when I like until the rules change, at no-risk to my wallet and I am sure there will be others who will take-up your generous offer.
Posted on March 17, 2021 at 9:15 AM
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fishychris you are trying to fit the rules to suit your opinion.
Below is the Angling Trust website
Statement from the Angling Trust
Updated: January 8th 2021
The Government have now formally responded to the representations made by the Angling Trust. We have promoted the huge benefits of fishing on individual health and wellbeing and have been able to present a case to which the Government have listened. On this basis I am pleased to announce that fishing will be permitted during the third national lockdown in England.
The DCMS Sports Team confirmed the following:
“fishing is allowed as exercise so long as participants adhere to the rules on staying local, gathering limits, social distancing and limiting the time spent outdoors”
This has also been confirmed by DEFRA:
“Cabinet Office have now officially confirmed that angling / fishing (incl. sea fishing off private boats, water sports) can be considered exercise and are hence permitted.”
I just don't know why you think you can not be fined for not staying local.
It is a fact (If the Birmingham Mail is telling the truth) that many people have been fined for travelling too far from home doing different things, going to the beach, going to beauty spots etc .
Lots more have been sent home but it is wrong to say you can not be fined for not staying local.
As for the value of catching a gudgeon to catching a salmon when the BAA is 99.9% course angling is ridiculous.
You are correct in saying you can travel for exercise but as it states above from the Angling Trust, it has to be within the following rules:- staying local, with gathering limits, social distancing and limiting to the time spent outdoors.
All of which are liable to a fine if the copper wants to issue one.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WILLING TO RISK £200 ON THE WORD OF FISHYCHRIS, THEN SO-BE-IT.
First though I would ask him if he will give you a written guarantee that he will pay any fine you may receive.
Just for the record, I think the staying local rule is a load of crap and a stupid law made by stupid people, but it is there, so we have to live with it for now.
Posted on March 16, 2021 at 6:35 AM
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Sorry fishychris, it is you who is totally missing the point of the post, which asked the question, ''Is it worth 200 quid for a days fishing''
The 10 miles suggestion is just a guide to which maybe a nice friendly copper would take as an excuse., seeing as how you could quote what the prime minister had already done on his bike.
If you got a nasty copper on a bad day and gave him a ''bit-of-lip'', it would probably cost you 200 anyway.
As for relating me to the ''antis'', I can tell you that when the first ban came in last March, I posted on this website that I thought any type of ban on fishing was wrong and was not necessary.
I was ''shot-down'' by numerous replies but was proved right in the end when the ban was lifted.
I still advocate that the present ban is wrong, but we have to live with it, it is the law for which if we break it, we run the risk of a large fine.
So it comes down to the original question ''Is a days fishing worth 200 hard earned notes''.
Personally I think not and if any of you do, you are nuts.
Lets be honest, it would not be worth just to get there and be turned around and sent home with your ''tail-between-your-legs''.
Posted on March 15, 2021 at 6:39 AM
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You can pretty much tell by their ''long-winded'' posts who would try to get around the rules.
I gave 10 miles as a rough example seeing as how our prime minister biked 7 miles and it was deemed as OK.
Anyway I think you are totally missing the point, which is, is a days fishing worth £200 plus.
Personally, I don't think so and for those of you that do, I still think you are nuts.
Posted on March 14, 2021 at 6:31 AM
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